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PTR League start (2013-04-27)

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ximae:
dilavo, sa also deals little damage to barbs, at least in my rof setup since i have smaller av damage, a lot of ias and lower cd compared to skorn. The problem is the frequency at which it hits, sa hits once per second jagged ice hits when they hit u. So jagged ice would benefit far more from high ias barb slapping u than a big pounding hammer in ur head.

 The real problem is the way it hits, u need to trade to get benefit from jagged ice and the damage ur taking compared to what he is taking does not benefit you. if u want to use it as a dps skill u are much better off kiting and dodging his attacks so u take 0 damage  and let sa hit him once per second, u not taking damage and him taking it is a much better trade off imho.

btw: he was using 1h + shield not 2h. 1h + shield hota still hits pretty hard, pretty much harder than ur jagged ice hits him.

dilaVo:

--- Quote from: ximae on April 29, 2013, 19:57:25 pm ---sa hits once per second jagged ice hits when they hit u.
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well not exactly once per second, but on average once per second


--- Quote ---btw: he was using 1h + shield not 2h. 1h + shield hota still hits pretty hard, pretty much harder than ur jagged ice hits him.
--- End quote ---
I see. If it's not a problem I would like to borrow (on PTR) your skorn setup. The one you had when we were playing in mirror league (94%+ dmg reduction). I would like to test it myself. Maybe those HotA barbs against whom I fought weren't good enough.

ximae:
well it was 94% accounting for pvps 30% dr and the 6% ranged in bt coat that wouldnt apply to hota. but i stopped using that vs barbs coz it just lacked the dps to kill the better ones as id endup running out of ap even at 1.0 aps.

but sure i can let u have it in ptr as i can just recopy it in a couple days.... but only if we play some practice games before :p

i was thinking if the current wiz v wiz build might be outdated with the new buffs and want to test it.

MoKKaL:
i tested jagged ice against darkraven on ptr ... and it sucked :)
u will loose too much damage!

DarkRaven:
I tested vs mokkal on ptr.

ice armor was a too big dps loss, even if it stunned me a couple of times it was after he got a big hota in the head.

hota shots vs a good cm wiz are a lot less than 1 per sec. storm armor is needed for the dps.

overall our games felt balanced any mistake is quickly punished, I think that in the final score he had an advantage.

BUT this was with 4% regen from ptr inspiring presence.

also, I used marauder rage, maybe threatening shout would be better vs the new RoF and to get away when low.

overall mokkal had 27% dodge which I think is very big vs hota. I needed a lot more hota shots to kill him, compared to shadow on live server, although I think he has less ehp than shadow.

it felt very helpless from my point of view, it relied so much on his luck on resetting cds, with a good combo he got me very low before I could do anything.

it's a lot more annoying and frustrating than playing vs hex and gargantuan, where u can at least avoid them with good movement.

with only 2% regen from insp presence it may be required to nerf something. either cm or one of the stuns, but I can't speak for all barbs... others that tested should share their experience.

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