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predsr:

--- Quote from: N0F3aR on May 17, 2013, 23:44:00 pm ---Hi,
Just played with Med and Lilth and tested their new Rapid fire build. It seems they deal high dmg and i think the rune Impunity of War Cry is nesecary against decent dh in future. Also the others dh i've met use the same build and its hitting a lot. So what you say about allowing Impunity again, since dh has such big dmg output (nearly 800% weap dmg on rockets). Also its seems that rapid fire requires no much hatred, so dh has like np with the resours using this skill.

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Where did you get the 800% math from?

Rapidfire is only np hatred if its constant channelling, if you can get a Dh to stop firing in between, they will be using 20 hatred per start/stop

N0F3aR:
1. I am not saying nurf DH, i say allow Impunity (War cry rune)
2. Predsr, 1 dh told me that about 800% weap dmg. Almost all dh say skill is bugged/op. But 800% or less, this skills does really a lot of dmg, also with the passive that immobilize the target the opposite hero of DH is disabled like always(every 7 sec cd), since the rockets (rune of that rapid fire) always autoaim the targed even beyond walls. Med toke me 150-160 k life like np in 2 sec when i go out of IP. And that is with 1040 Phys resist, 11100 armor, 28 % elite dmg reduction, 11% range reduction. I had to take off unforgiving and take both relentless + nerves of steel to be able to survive. An that cost me high mobility on the map. Or using WotB with very good timing.
! I am not saying "Nurfs DH". Just i think Barbs need full power of protection against that "rapid fire" build.
And KHNO is right,
WD is still mega imba. His survive ability is nearly as barb, but the dmg output is great. Actually not bats are the biggest problem especially Barb vs WD, but the life regen and disable that decent wd has.

DarkRaven:
I think that dhs have to give up a lot of mobility for rf, they cant really kite a lot, like with impales, they get a lot more rends.

I played vs venxosiz yesterday and he actually streamed it, here is the vid

http://www.twitch.tv/venxosiz/b/404687873 - the duel starts at about 1.00.00, it was 5-1 but we tested some more afterwards.

i first started with wotb to abuse the somehow more imobile rf build, it did ok but he actually moves a lot, which is good. after round 2 or 3 i switched to marauder rage because i noticed that even my non-wotb crits were decent.

after the duel i tried skorn, but I was too squishy, it did work with 1000 dex on gear but pretty low dps for skorn, it could be ok with a skorn with 300+ dex but only vs tanky dhs.

than i tried same build as in the duel but with treatening shout instead of marauder and it actually did ok too, the identical build that i use vs legacy dhs, both gear and skills, having enough fury at all times is nice.

at the very end i tried my tankiest spec vs his most dps, it took him 18 sec to kill me which is very good, a lot of skorn barbs with insanity hota rend couldnt kill me in that spec standing still.

i agree i could have used also overpower for more defense to at least get to 2nd ignore pain, but still the dps was huge.
that final test was with dodge rune on impunity, 44.7 dodge buffed, 950 AR, 12k arm, 32 block, -35 vs elites etc, no dps :)

I havent yet tested vs legacy and i dont think rf advantages them, because they rely on kiting and not getting rended, they cant really tank too many rends.

it may be ok in the current league as i dont see many top dhs with non legacy gear, but really good ones with 350k dps unbuffed and decent ehp should destroy any barb

N0F3aR:
DarkRaven,
Venxosiz is good dh, in my duel against him he surprized me with his rapid fire build and leaded almost all the time. Finnaly i won 5-3, in the moment i find correct build i turned the game in my favor. But Med and Lilth i think have more pvp potential so far ( no offense, venxosiz,they are at least experienced players). The fights with them were harder and closer. Also Lilth played with legacy nata and wasnt easy as you think.

DarkRaven:
yeah, I agree that there are better dhs out there, dunno how legacy dhs use rf, I didn't yet test, I don't think they are easy but rf style doesn't seem to suit their kiting style.

indeed predsr and med seem to be really good legacy dhs gear wise and they should do very well vs barbs in d3cl

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