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[Mr.Mag]

Blood ritual wont be banned. This was previous version of changes.

[Baharoth]

wotb banned against wd? Why dont u just give them an automatic walkover? Spares time and winning against them is impossible anyway.

[Mnich]

Two seasons backwards besker was forbidden vs wd still should be and now.

Wd baned firebats and  barb baned berserker is good.

[Baharoth]

And last season Vimer barely managed to beat insane who isnt even close in terms of Gear even with berserker.

I kinda agree with KNHO here, with the current ruleset the upcoming season will barely get 20 players probably even less.

[riot]

IIRC hex was banned alongside wotb two seasons ago. It's almost impossible for barb to win wd if wotb is banned and hex is allowed. It's fine if u wanna ban wotb to remove 15s duels but u gotta balance it better.

[Mnich]

hmmm okey it is possible this way to try in this season.

we will see how it will work

[Sa10]

what s about bats ban against dh?
i think is the only op skill to kill dhs and need be banned

[Sa10]

ok, i read all the post now
i agree with iria rulez recomendations, on US i know only 2 dh can beat the top monks, iria and angel3, but both dont play the ligue. SS pasive is enought here.

I really test the rf build on dh mirror match, and i see impale>>>rf here

dh vs wd, plague bats bann is the only ban need, the others is a good recomendation, but i dont think obligatory

dh vs barb, rf+TotH pasive is op but no unbeateable, if they use charge and leap, they can scape from the thrill and hace a ofensive skill to close combat yet

dh vs wiz, the high damage wiz can one shoot you, or 2 shoots. battle scar and no breeding sentry. and no rf+boar.

is hard make a balance rulez from 2 servers because are very diferents severs, here i know only 2 barb can beat all clases, juice and skyislimit, but both cant win mafia(monk), mafia won 3 times vc tourney, and mirai(azmodai, WD) won like 4-5 times. i dont see nothing similar there, vimir won a lot there.

i think the current rulez need changes, try to make rulez to balance similar gear clases, the op gears always have advances with and w/o rulez.

Sato

[KNHO]

dh vs wd, plague bats bann is the only ban need, the others is a good recomendation, but i dont think obligatory

Realy Sato, wtf? Why i everytime got the feeling, when i read posts from US Players, that the EU players are noobs?
MysticaL also said that DH vs WD is ok, till he came here to EU and was banged like 0:500 by Blud and Euronymous.
Bats isn´t the real problem....it´s avoidable. The big problem is Haunt and the sick survivabilty of a WD.
With only bats banned, NO i say it once again "NO" Dh will be able to beat a good WD, and even the most stupid of WD´s, don´t loos if they go max tanky. This is one of the reasons why the good DH´s don´t play tourneys and league, coz it´s just frustrating to loos to WD´s because of no rules and the stupid overpower of WD. Same goes for Iria and the best EU Dh´s.

Once again, maybe you guys try to listen..

WD vs DH
- Bats are not allowed
- Haunt is only allowed with the 2 sec rune
- If the WD uses a shield, he can´t use "Jungle fortitude".

With this a good DH was able to win the last VC Eu tournament, and it was very close.
Good luck guys.

[Mr.Mag]

we have to delay the league start and think about it once again.

[KNHO]

we have to delay the league start and think about it once again.

Listen to what Nofear says, he is the most active pvp player EU.
He manages good tournaments and pvp events.
He will help you with rules a lot, this is the best thing you can do right now.
The sooner you contact him, so faster your league will start.

[Mr.Mag]

are those vc rules ready enough to implement and start 2 months season? i got the feeling you change them every tournament and everytime barb wins

[Mr.Mag]

WD
•   Witch Doctors are only allowed to use either Plague Bats Rune or Hex against Monks
•   In duels versus “Barbarian” is not allowed to use the skill “Firebats” and “Hex”.
•   Witch Doctor are not allowed to use Plague Bats against Wizards
•   Witch Doctor are not allowed to use Plague Bats against Demon Hunters

Barbarian
•   In duels versus the “Monk”,”Wizard  and “Witch Doctor” is not allowed to use the skill “Wrath of the Berserker”.
•   In duels versus the “Demon Hunter” the skill “War cry” is only allowed to use with “no rune”.

Monk
•   In duels versus the “Wizard” the skill “Cyclone Strike” is not allowed.
•   In duels versus the “Wizard” the skill “Fists of Thunder" with rune “Thunderclap” is not allowed.

DH
•   The Demon Hunter is not allowed to play the “bunker – style”. This style is defined by laying “Turrets” and/or “Spike Traps” and not coming out from the range of these traps.
•   Demon Hunters are not allowed to use Rapid Fire against Wizards
•   Demon Hunters are not allowed to use Aid Station against Wizards and Barbarians
•   In duels versus the “Monk” the skill “Impale” with rune “Chemical Burn” is not allowed.
•   In duels versus the “Wizard” the skill “Companion” is not allowed

is it ok for you nofear and knho? it's a mix of d3cl and vc rules. hope you'll like it

of course, change in couting frags is still valid

[Mnich]

It is possible to play these principles coming season.
It isn't possible to pull principles to the form which is being played.

[KNHO]

Hello Mag,

you forgot some "Very" important points of the whole Balancing discussion here.

1. WD
•   Witch Doctor are not allowed to use Plague Bats against Demon Hunters
Not enough, in last VC tournaments: All DH´s were eliminated by a WD with relative ease.

I would do it like that:
• Witch Doctor are not allowed to use Plague Bats against Demon Hunters
• Haunt is only allowed to use with the 2 sec rune against Demon Hunters

2. DH
•   In duels versus the “Monk” the skill “Impale” with rune “Chemical Burn” is not allowed.
There is no need for this rule, good Monks will tear the most DH´s in peaces.
This matchup is very balanced with "No Rules". If you wan´t to weak a DH in this matchup no matter what, then take away sharpshooter. Against Monks like "Lelik" or "Sin", i was beaten up hard even without rules. If they enter your screen..you´re dead. Chemical burn wan´t help here.

3. Barb
•   In duels versus the “Demon Hunter” the skill “War cry” is only allowed to use with “no rune”.
This rule was ok before the Rapid fire buff. Right now good Dh´s will rape barbs in peaces with this.

Change it to:
•   In duels versus the “Demon Hunter” the skill “War cry” is only allowed to use with “no rune”.
•   In duels versus "Rapid Fire" - “Demon Hunters” all skills are allowed.

If this goes live, i go and buy DH gear again to play active in this league.
Now let´s wait what Nofear says, if he agrees an all >>>> Great >>>> Start