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N0F3aR

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #150 on: June 15, 2013, 23:31:59 pm »

Regarding Monk vs Barb:
Monks usually use stun Wave of LIght and stun SSS ( if no explosive light). That 2 stuns + flash and barb cant reach monk without sprint. But anyway, that should be tested.
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Forti

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2013, 00:23:44 am »

U know u can block and dodge sss? With shield is not that pro. Sss + 2x wol stun + blind + serenity = no spirit. You know t high block dodge and ehp barb will probably still be near you after this combo? I hope u know.   And now monk need run around for spirint - mpre than 30 sec ip cd.

But yes, i think monk is able to kill barb so easy. And vice versa.

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #152 on: June 16, 2013, 14:27:30 pm »

Block does almost nothing vs monk, barbs use shields vs monk because of the defensive stats, namely the elite reduce, resis and defense. If u get hit by an 1 mio crit SSS the 4700 dmg reduce from block doesnt realy help. If anything u want dodge against monk.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2013, 14:41:04 pm »

Try fight vs. Monk without shield. I did some test with paincreator. Sss was overpowered. Sometimes he die with 1-2 from seven shoots. Dont talk if you didnt test it.

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #154 on: June 16, 2013, 15:52:19 pm »

as baharoth said, when you get hit by 80k per shot, for example, blocking 4k only reduces that damage by 5%. dodge is A LOT better than block, anytime, vs anyone.

A storm shield has ~1000-1200 arm, 70-80ar, 7% vs elites, 6% vs melee which works vs sss and normal bells, maybe 150-200 vit or 16% life

so unless you find a 2 handed weapon with 1000-1200 vit , a 2 handed weapon setup will never be able to have the ehp of spear and shield, but definitely not because of block.

block is best vs fast small hits, vs big slow hits its effect is quite small.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #155 on: June 16, 2013, 17:20:07 pm »

Bullshit. Did you test it? I dont think so. Try it, try to take sss without shield :)

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #156 on: June 16, 2013, 17:34:15 pm »

@Forti
Could you read about block before you write another post? You are turning this topic into a spam fest.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #157 on: June 16, 2013, 17:55:09 pm »

Lol. Just lol. Please. First go test. Then come back and talk.
And why u think i dont know how block is working?

So much useless rules (fake w/o) and talking here. Im out. Wasting of time i see.

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #158 on: June 16, 2013, 18:08:24 pm »

lol, If u see a big difference from sss vs shield and sss vs skorn, only a small part is because of block, the rest is from the defensive stats of the shield, as I mentioned above.

shield only blocks the amount written on it, like 3700-4700, if a hit does 40k and u block 4k u will take 36k, so 10% reduction, if the hit is 80k than 4k reduced is 5%, if the hit is 8k than u block 50% etc. the smaller the hit, the better block becomes
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2013, 18:28:05 pm »

Forti there is no point in testing without shield. Ofc the barb dies a hell lot faster without a shield, but thats not because of block, its because of stormshields def stats. A good stormschield alone should give like 1 mio ehp without block incorporated maybe even more against SSS THAT is the reason why shields are usefull. If u wanna test how usefull block is, get urself a shield with very low block % and test again. Or just do some maths... 100k hit after mitigation - 4700 ist still 60-70% of a barbs maximum life. The effect of block is close to nothing here if u dont know that then its obvious that u dont know how block works.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2013, 19:00:49 pm »

Ok, a was wrong. But still i think sss do much less dmg thaj wol. Thats all about

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2013, 22:18:16 pm »

Forti,pls stop talking about Barbs, when you reach higher pvp gear lvl, everything will change. Now its just absurd for you to discuss this part of the PvP.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #162 on: June 17, 2013, 05:48:21 am »

Nofear dont troll :[

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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #163 on: June 20, 2013, 00:24:44 am »

Now the monks are wallhugging and play with crazy dot´s too.
Running around with a fucking aly, hugging walls all day long, waiting everytime for cd´s up, to set 1 fucking BIG DMG dot over some seconds, and then go on hiding again. Why am i supposed to hit with physical, very dodgable/avoidable attacks, without dots, while a monk can dot me for some crazy dmg?

Wd´s are the same shit as season 1, still no restrictions. Never a good dh was able to beat a good wd.

Dh vs Wizzard is still way to overpowered, due rapidfire (rockets).

There are 2 ok setups right now. Dh vs barb, dh vs dh. The rest is just n/c.
And this 2...i can play with my friends outside the league.

Good luck with going on guys. I´ll quit too.
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Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion
« Reply #164 on: June 20, 2013, 07:19:10 am »

Next winning. All players agree wds are op. But dont say monk have op dota... Lol. He have to get close to you abd exploding palm need crit for some dmg.

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