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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 16:26:55 pm  »

Legacy nats vs. Barb:
DH wins no matter what

Yea... one mistake and im dead cose of low survi:)

1 mistake? Really? How about preparation?

All i wrote was regarding legacy DH.

Do You know guys how balancing occurs in real life? Like in production lines? there are small changes made over time. What You did is a huge class breaking change.

Euronymous get a good example, by let's say banning 12% MS in Barb vs New Nat DH, could be a good attempt..However banning inspiring presence is banning people like me who spends billions on gear with high str-vit peaces...that's just NOT FAIR...You can't force people to sell all their gear and come up with new set of items without touching other class, this is not balancing, this is nerfing...there are other ways to balance that not require that dramatic changes..

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 15:43:28 pm  »

if You add stun runes, it's just 100% death

Bitch please... use passive "Juggernaut". You are so prO and you didn't know it?

Bitch please...Why You don't want to listen other solutions? You guys just want ban core skill of barb and that's it..You don't consider relentless or berserker...Just this and shut up..Juggernaut instead of armor without life regen?? good luck with that 

why You don't take anything from DH, just from Barb?

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 15:33:09 pm  »

I really wonder what makes you think otherwise. But something has to be done to balance Barb vs DH encounters, don't you think?

You just admit..Matchup's were very close and something need to be done..So You took core skill from Barb that many barbs invest billions of gold into it witchout touching DH..that's balance?

I see there is no point in further discussion with DH's that make the rules and compete in league.

Ok, I will simplify this so you can understand.
Your Win/Loss score in the league vs DH is 13/2, this is a 87% success ratio.

Now you have 2 options:
1- Keep this obvious trolling up.
2- Admit some balance is needed.

take a note that I lost 10 all together..so 2 looses against DH gives 20% of all looses..that's 1/5..there is 5 classes so I think my Barb vs DH is in a right place..

I agree balanced is needed but this is just a face palm.

I think that You should Ban berserker in this matchup instead of inspiring...or if You take inspiring presence, You should ban Preparation skill from DH cause now it will be basiccly like this: aggresive DH chasing kamping barb. if You get hit, You use preparation and run around map waiting for cooldow..Barb's won't be aggressive anymore cause few of Your shots can kill them + if You add stun runes, it's just 100% death....they will kamp and hide.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 14:37:07 pm  »

I really wonder what makes you think otherwise. But something has to be done to balance Barb vs DH encounters, don't you think?

You just admit..Matchup's were very close and something need to be done..So You took core skill from Barb that many barbs invest billions of gold into it witchout touching DH..that's balance?

I see there is no point in further discussion with DH's that make the rules and compete in league.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 14:29:54 pm  »

Lol, my gear just got banned and You want to say if i won't win with handicapped legacy nat DH I'm retarded good DH's are laughing of You atm 

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PvP / Re: Zasady PvP?

« on: March 05, 2013, 14:28:06 pm  »

skoro DH dalej przegrywa, to dlaczego nie zabierzecie jeszcze barbowi sprintu, albo renda? nie rozumiem

dyskusja z DH ktory bierze udzial w lidze i ustala zasady widze ze do niczego nie zmierza..nie macie zadnych argumentow poza wlasnym placzem i porazkami.
pokazcie publicznie filmik gdzie na nowych zasadach barb rozwala legacy nat dh, to bedzie argument do zmian.

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PvP / Re: Zasady PvP?

« on: March 05, 2013, 14:09:12 pm  »

testujemy end game lvl i skill, a nie Twoj poziom.kto powiedzial ze Ty jestes wyznacznikiem? przeciez wy DH sie bedziecie podkladac byle przepchnac te korzystne dla was zasady.

ostatnio jak gralismy to przeciez wszystko bylo mega blisko. po tych zmianach to moge stanac i dac sie zabic...ale spoko zrobie takiego tanka ze dh beda blagac o remis

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 13:47:46 pm  »

To all: get out of there and test !!! Find new tattics and come back with feedback

My class with new nat don't get any serious nerf, I'm just angry that if you don't ban pets for WD and Inspiring Presence for barb I will be forced to buy A LOT of gold for money and try to convince some old DH to set his good legacy set. It's not good to force ppl to search&buy items that Blizzard deleted from game drop;] Legacy nat users can kite all the time - we not, legacy nat users can spam ss - we not - that's main reason why all barbs and WD consider DH like "OP" enemy, but it's possible only with legacy set.

For example: Jump cost 8dysc, second jump 4 dysc - legacy nat users can use one jump 0,5s and after that he have 2s +60 speed from passive->next jump 0,5s +2s +60 speed. 5 seconds kiting cost 12 dysc, and they regenerate 2dysc/1s from set +1dysc/1s normally = 3d/1s. In 5 seconds they will spend 12 dysc and gain 15 dysc;]

If you don't want to ban items like legacy nat set just make rules against new nat set and legacy nat set - for example new nat users are near to impossible to kill equaly geared barb with Inspiring Presence, but legacy set users can kite them all the time and they have a chance, we not.

I have both sets and I've tried any combination of sets and tactics very extensively in DH vs Barb. With the new set taking down a good skilled and geared Barb is just impossible because of resource starvation. The only alternative is using a legacy set with 20% lower DPS and 20% lower EHP.
As a legacy nats user you won't believe the ridiculous amount of time you need to take down a barb without making any error. We are talking about every round lasting 15 minutes or longer, no kidding.
Maybe you are superman but me, phisiologically speaking, after 45 minutes of paranoid aiming and microing like there's no tomorrow, can't stand a full challenge. While barbs can just run arround for 20 seconds and remedy any mistake they did. In my country we call this unfair exploitation.
There's no fun in such long encounters for me. Non believers check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHffLOEfNkE and bear in mind the barb isn't even playing cat vs mouse.

From vide You posted what we can see?? That Barb is constantly chasing DH with 5-20% life and from time to time is able to land 1 rend..barb is not dying cause have relentless and inspiring presence...this udel is veryt long BECAUSE is very CLOSE matchup..now take away inspiring presence and how this match would end? barb slaughtery...
can You show me a video of testing with high lvl barb vs dh without inspiring presence?? cause all I see is +1 from numerous DH's.

i think that more reasonable change would be to take away relentless instead of inspiring presence.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:59:52 am  »

I see..you just wanna be on top next season

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PvP / Re: Zasady PvP?

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:56:43 am  »

Spoko, tylko wd może teraz zamienić się miejscami z wizardem;p najbardziej cieszy mnie ban inspirującej obecności barbarzyńcy w walce z dh. Skończy się w końcu skończą się te ,,epickie'' ucieczki i campienie w oczekiwaniu na przezwyciężenie ,,bulu''.

cieszysz sie bo wiesz ze rozwalisz teraz kazdego barba LOL

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 10:46:08 am  »

Green Darke I beg Your pardon, but tell me, where in a league You are placed? What gear do You have? oh sory,. one of You doesn't even play in a league.

You said, that You wanna do testing on high end gear but all I can see, that You balance with Your average gear against average DH gear. Saying that You won with legacy and non legacy nat, could be true but this doesn't proove anything..Cause You and green are both far away FROM TOP END GEAR..

Another thing, You don't wanna ban gear, but You just banned my and other barbs 4b+ gear who invested into items that give me big relentless zone and I can kill things in this zone...now i would need completly new gear...is that balancing?

Did You bother to watch a link I posted? MC changed his gear A LOT since PTR..
I'm highest ranked barb in this league and no one listens what I think...If You make such a stupid rules I will go to another league, so less skilled people can be ranked higher.. Green You can stop crying now DH will be op.

any good DH will be undefeated now. So atm if DH loose against non inspiring presence barb is really retarded dh..

p.s. You don't even  listen to DH's..some of them already said that this change is a Joke.

You didn't even bother to balance between legacy nat and non legacy nat..

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 02:39:04 am  »

another thing, banning inspiring presence propagate only 1 tactic....kamping and waiting for 2 crit rends within preparation cooldow...lol even half naked dh would win this matchup...

as for testing

I own predsr every match we play cause I out gear him and he is very bad at kitinng..on new rules I don't stand any chance..so now imagine I play with guy like Majestic..LOL

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 02:31:06 am  »

Duelling with him as we speak actually :-)

How are your results versus him without inspiring presence?

so now imagine that his gear is average..he doesn't have manticore for high burst and no res on items...top notch dh would have it with same dps...

ROGH: haven't tested against WD...

I just read the DH changes and it made me quit the league..
as mentioned above watch Majestic from US server...lol
http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/1969663
this link from 1h20min mark...Dh can endlessly kite barb..if barb has no possibility to regen 4-5k hp is dead within 30 seconds...

it's just so stupid, that I can't imagine how retarded DH came up with this idea..

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 02:26:16 am  »

Have You try Lilith?

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2

« on: March 05, 2013, 01:37:01 am  »

Barb vs DH

Are you kidding me?

Atm high-end gear barb vs high end gear DH is very close matchup.Berserker usually close the deal, taking it away could be good balance attempt...however, inspiring presence? Are You kidding? without nerfing DH? lol...
any good DH will rape Barb...the only option now was to tank dh while chasing him all over the map..now few shots and barb is dead..watch some mannercookie fights with Majestic..LOL. GOOD DH wont let you rend.

As for barb vs WD...taking hex and berserker would be enough...

You said that You don\t wanna ban gear, but You just broke most of the barbs..

p.s. I think that good option would be to take away Rend from barb cause the last thing that can kill dh. LOL.

after some testing vs DH...this is completly inbalanced..all comes down to kamping and lucky crits from rend (countered by preparation)..which wont happen with GOOD DH and there is maybe 1 like this in our league atm..but because there isn't any good DH's in this league You come up wih rules, so they can win.