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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 13, 2013, 03:39:23 am  »

had some nice duels today vs dh - the combination of rapid fire, ballistics passive and the 100% stun every 7 seconds passive works so incedibly well vs barbs - plz test it with some guys but in my eyes its really way over the top dps

(testet with warcry no rune)

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 20:07:13 pm  »

i agree on euros opinion in this case if they (develop team d3cl) want to balance something they rely on the tests of the lets say top 3-5 of each class meassured by the last seasons results

so difficult to make wd rules if you dont take blud and co in mind and same with devil and vimer for barbs

yes its not fair at all and its pay to win somehow but its not possible to balance average gear vs average gear

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 13:38:34 pm  »

@ Raven to be honest the tankgear is just a nice add to my calculations.... and worked incredible well vs sorc class and was designed to be able to stay alife after sin´s recources are out.

My goal was always and is still to use the tank setup and go 2-handed. There is a small window thats so difficult to reach where your ehp is enough to go 2-handed and at that moment you are just a killing-spree-mashine.

I have the best 2 hand weapon @ eu for this style but not the rest of the items so far. But if you have this you are world pvp-dummy-#1!  11 mio ehp - 2-handed barb having 90 k dps unbuffed using +30% dps rune will be the pvp ruler for long time and the needed items will be 10 billion each according to my thoughs.

I tried it last season and it worked so damn great vs all legacy users that they came up with the barb is op take em warcry away solution. As i had only 6 mio ehp it didnt worked any longer after the warcry nerf and generally vs new nat users. If i use 2 hand vs iria i am dead in 3 sec. If i reach 11 mio ehp in 2 hand i kill every dh no matter what thats a promise.

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 13:31:17 pm  »

Tested the Ballistic passive dmg, and the dmg seems about right, i cant see anything abnormal there

Hi pred, can you plz take new nat set + dps gear + rocket rune + ballistic and test the dmg @ normal barbs i have seen so many dying in the first 2 secs.

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 13:08:47 pm  »

Raven the funtanks are no problem in pvp leaque... really not  i had it last season there were 2 tank demon hunters i couldnt kill with no setup... we agreed on stopping the duell and canceled the challenge... it was just easy

the aim on tank barb is to reach the needed ehp not to be killed and use the needed dps 40-60-80 k unbuffed to get the killscore thats what analytical pvp is about


And @all TANK-HATERS out there plz dont get me wrong - tank is no real pvp-setup or way to play competitive pvp it is what it always was an countersetup against the 50 k life 800 k dps glass-cannon guys. Especially sorc, dh and monk. Dont even think about using tankgear vs barb or wd-class!

And raven you talk always about prices ... if you have a 30+ billion barb and sin and tomas onehit you all the time the fun-factor is decreasing every time u lose  0 to 5 vs em.
Yes tank-gear is still cheap but for example @ us server not half as cheap as here. And if you want to have 15 mio ehp and 70 k dps its maybe the most expensive build! At the moment i am at 67 k dps unbuffed and 13,4 mio ehp in this kind of build and cant afford the prices for any new upgrade.

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 12:21:25 pm  »

@ your present gear you have 17,3 mio ehp vs ranged 20 mio ehp vs melee and incredible high 27000 dps ... you can run this setup in pvp if u double your dps somehow^^

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 12:05:02 pm  »

nobody cares unbuffed stats you face a buffed tank in the arena!  If you play tank and max fury regen you dont understand the tank itself and the autocatalytical functions in the game!

as tankbuild is made vs ultra dpsler like sin that did always 14 mio hits to me i dont care on any block and use 1 mio dps inc as reference

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 11:42:22 am  »

My statz leading to my tanksetup are:

250 000 life
14000 armor
42,2% dodge
15% blockchance
890 resist
-11% ranged
-14% elite
-12% melee

according to my calcs i have 17,9 mio ehp vs ranged and 18,3 mio ehp vs melee lvl 60 elite players

in comparison to that a normal pvp barb like vimer or devil with fury gain and max run reach a range from 7-8 mio ehp, some pvp-dummy progamers like keowen @ us servers reach 10,5 mio ehp by still having 95 k dps unbuffed.
I dont see any chance for demon hunters to win vs these guys.

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 12, 2013, 09:33:56 am  »

yes vimer thx ...

as of my tests all "regular" pvp barbs maybe not vimer and devil will be melted by the new rapid fire rocket build + ballistic build because the bugged rockets do something like 500% weapon dps and no 145% + 50%.

They have auto aim and its really funny to see my 18 mio ehp tank going down in seconds.

@ Euro ... since i am the only pvp tank maybe i should give you the facts. darkraven hase some nice thoughts but doesnt know the data.

PVP-tank has some huge disadvantages - biggest problem is lag on runspeed and missing fury regen.
The huge advantage is that you have endless life and decent damage.
Diabloprogress is useless to see someones ehp. If you want to compare look at viciouscattle-rankings and you will see my 2 barbs are #1 and #7 in the world! So its not just one tank you make rules against its "the tank"

Problem in the game is that ehp same as dps is autocatalytical meens the more u stack the better it gets.
Facts:
- if u reach > than 35 mio ehp you are nearly unkillable
- with all buffes i have 18 mio ehp, + ignore pain + relentless + -30% dmg cry i have about 45 mio ehp
- only class that can break this is wd (because of blizzards recource management system others can´t)
- with semi warcry ban i have 15,5 mio  if i use overpower i have still 18 but not 100% of the time but i can time it very well

I tested some with iria who has more dps than every eu-dh alive and if you really want to hurt my "tank-style" take away my -30% cry not warcry or anything else.
The moment you do so i will have to use +30% dps cry. Thats useless because i have only 40 k dps unbuffed. And i will swich automatically to a 60 k dps unbuffed build to benefit from the 30% dps buff. All that will lead to a much more "non-stalemate" fight.

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 11, 2013, 23:05:30 pm  »

same as it is just right now

if u have a draw the tank has to change 1 item to offensive and retry duel ... if still draw a secund ... and if needed 3rd and so on until someone is able to win

if they dont agree a judge is needed...

i always play like this and it works fine only not vs damn  wd there only a draw is possible or win for wd. dont know if it changes after wotb allowed again but in my opinion its still hopeless without weapon swich abuse

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 11, 2013, 19:42:37 pm  »

skilled dh will kill all anyway with the bugged new rapid fire rockets and ballistic passives ... autoaim 800 k dmg rockets for the win

no problem for me anyway i can use 18 mio ehp setup

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 11, 2013, 17:07:11 pm  »

The intention of Warcry "no rune" is to lower the barbs EHP a bit while keeping everything else the same - not as a trade-off between EHP and fury.

pfff nobody will use warcry without rune overpower crushing advanced is already near equal to a full runed warcry skill

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 11, 2013, 14:28:07 pm  »

yep agree on raven. if you still want warcry in the game you have to allow charge! rune.
(+20 exra fury)
If the intention of banning warcrys 20% allresi bonus was to lower the barbs ehp then its the right way to give the barb more fury and less ehp.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.6 [Open Discussion]

« on: April 20, 2013, 13:59:26 pm  »

well i´m looking for some ime at all the changes that blizzard is bringing to us according pvp...

at first it was a thought but it gets clearer and clearer with each buff/nerf

1. game is very balanced @ high gear lvl but ends in draw matches by any direction exept both use glascannon
2. they changed many things according to group dynamic and make more and more survival balances to handle the evil dps the classes can do.

Summary:

Looks like they focus on a 2 vs 2 supportet and ratet leaque series fuck on all 1 on 1 and try to balance for a 2 vs 2 dynamic system. Dont know if u ever played 2 vs 2 but if i look back at our 2 vs 2 tests i can somehow understand the balance changes of the last 4 patches.

For example most cutting edge thing is the new barb gives group a 4% lifereg/sec buff!

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League information / Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!

« on: April 19, 2013, 19:34:47 pm  »

yep gz