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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.6 [Open Discussion]
« on: March 24, 2013, 16:21:00 pm »
I was about to post some long post explaining this but I have no energy to do that, it won't be listened anyway.
Problem is that people look at war cry as only defensive skill. Truth is, barb with unforgiven can spam war cry every 20sec to get enough fury to chase DH.
Without war cry DH can be more aggressive, and when he need's to use preparation he will back off, stop shooting and run away, camp in corners (if DH is not shooting, barb is not getting fury)..Because of that barb has no fury to chase him..In this situation it's either using TS just to get fury without DH around or we are taking more hits.
I've tried few different setup's with Myst, like 35% cc, 207khp 900 res ~10000 armor, and 130khp with 5,5k hp regen on gear with high res, high armor 50% cc and ~380%cdmg...nothing really counters..Smart DH will just stop shooting and drain Barbarian to 0 fury. Cause he can't catch defensive DH.
Now, to kill DH barb need to land ~5+ rend within 45seconds.. why 5? cause it need to be 2-3crit rends to kill DH with preparation, health globe, etc. now that is a joke with good legacy kiting DH
I don't say I'm the best etc.. I would like to see other barbs (Vimer, IownYou, Nofear) dueling with MYSTICAL! Bear in mind he has paragon 30 and -40k dps that normal legacy DH should have.
Problem is that people look at war cry as only defensive skill. Truth is, barb with unforgiven can spam war cry every 20sec to get enough fury to chase DH.
Without war cry DH can be more aggressive, and when he need's to use preparation he will back off, stop shooting and run away, camp in corners (if DH is not shooting, barb is not getting fury)..Because of that barb has no fury to chase him..In this situation it's either using TS just to get fury without DH around or we are taking more hits.
I've tried few different setup's with Myst, like 35% cc, 207khp 900 res ~10000 armor, and 130khp with 5,5k hp regen on gear with high res, high armor 50% cc and ~380%cdmg...nothing really counters..Smart DH will just stop shooting and drain Barbarian to 0 fury. Cause he can't catch defensive DH.
Now, to kill DH barb need to land ~5+ rend within 45seconds.. why 5? cause it need to be 2-3crit rends to kill DH with preparation, health globe, etc. now that is a joke with good legacy kiting DH
I don't say I'm the best etc.. I would like to see other barbs (Vimer, IownYou, Nofear) dueling with MYSTICAL! Bear in mind he has paragon 30 and -40k dps that normal legacy DH should have.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5
« on: March 19, 2013, 10:00:42 am »
personally I find new nat DH's with insane DPS much harder to deal with. Like Captain his 270k unbuffed hurts like hell. I won with him only using war cry and threteaning shout at the same time. Without war cry i believe it will be much harder. Most of the DH's that are crying here are just lacking DPS to kill Barbs (You need really high dps, 200-220k dps unbuffed won't kill top barb, that's the way it is). You need at least 250k I think.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5
« on: March 19, 2013, 01:06:22 am »
war cry: +20% armor +20% ress
Threatening Shout: -20% enemy DPS AND 30% slow or -15%as.
lol...Use Vault or the other invisibiity skill and slow down effect is gone
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 09, 2013, 11:35:40 am »
Yeah, banning swap of items and from league if someone get caught is actually a great idea.
Maybe it will be hard to detec with armor peaces, but anyway, players will record their fights and might analyze hp of other players, or taking screenshots...What I mean, admins should just set this rules and don't worry if it's detectale or not..Believe me, people are creative and they will find a way to proove it when it happens.
Maybe it will be hard to detec with armor peaces, but anyway, players will record their fights and might analyze hp of other players, or taking screenshots...What I mean, admins should just set this rules and don't worry if it's detectale or not..Believe me, people are creative and they will find a way to proove it when it happens.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 08, 2013, 21:21:47 pm »
Mojo, Quiver, Orb and shield You consider as weapon ofc?
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 08, 2013, 20:56:53 pm »
All I say is make gear swap rules cause this just brake duels...Even if it comes to weapon + shield would be a great start...believe me, top players 'feel' when it happens and can make screenshots, it's easy to spot.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 07, 2013, 00:53:06 am »
MC build his EU char for 200m and has paragon 0 
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 06, 2013, 16:20:47 pm »@mannercookie (ur nickname is kinda sarcastic) u think u are so cOOl with that barb, stacked ehp like crazy, with 70k dps can kill all, coz of 900% dot imba skill, with passive regeneratin 2% hp everysec, with perma sprint? nope, ur not.
in matter of balances, i think that removing dot skills (rend, haunt, chem burn at impale) will balance matchups ALOT
+1
want to see barb killing DH without rend
You have no idea about what You just said...
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 06, 2013, 11:04:42 am »You need balance in DPS/EHP.
Ofc we can make char like this: http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/rain-6984/TriggerHappy/20704248
237k life with passive 1% hp reg + sentry 1% hp reg = 2,37k+2,37k=4,8k life regen without items, and with items it can be 5k+
Why we don't do it?
Because our class don't have AoE Dota with 500-700%+ dmg like yours;] We MUST have more DPS and less EHP.
Another thing: for DH the main aim is to have a lot of dyscypline OR dysc regen - we are losing a lot of EHP using natalya's set.
Do You know what word balance means? You point extreme case where guy has 42k dps and his PvP dummy is 1000...
That's Your argument?
I let this to comment out for other players.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 06, 2013, 09:55:12 am »Devil you are really funy guy:)
,,ofc top 10 pvp dummy barb will own top 1000 pvp dumy dh..who is wearing inna pant's and witching hour for pvp? that's not good, You need ehp, and not die from 1 crit rend.''
Scorpion top 1 pvp dummy lost with u. I with 2k pvp dummy, inna's and witching hour won 5-2. bitch, please!
Scorpion lost, because he was playing bunker style with completly different gear setup...he had 1/2 of this dps and I was switching whole gear before WOTB, and I was able to kill him only because we were bored..I start watching movie and he finnaly came off the island..I lost with You, cause I didn't use berserker..Anyway, You see that even with inspiring presence, and lack of PvP items, You could beat me.
Maybe I'm arogant, but You guys must understand that for PvP You need different gear..You need balance in DPS/EHP.
Most of DH's don't do this cause they have smoke screen, vault etc...Sometims when I fight with Sin or tomas, 1 peace of item decide if they 1 shoot me or not...Like SoJ..If I put it on, I can't survive Sin(Darke) blue bell.
DH's usually run with Ina Pants, Witching Hour, legacy nats with poor stats, stone of jordan..You do insane dmg and You ignore ehp and that's Your choice..but when barb gets to You, you are in trouble..that's the way it is until You find balance..Some peaces of gear are the best in Europe..like my spear 250vit, 1120 dps and 90% cdmg..I have few other extremly effective peaces for different kind of situations...I don't use ANY ITEM from farming in PvP.
another thing, I did some calculations and the reason why Vimer had succes with You or others on new rules is...
He has some amazing life-regen peaces..He can stack 2500-3000k life regen with ~100-120k hp. That's how much life regen You will have with inspiring presence at this point..Thus he has +25-30% armor from passive instead of inspiring presence..
Now when i fight with DH, i have around 160k hp and ~3,8k hp regen, but with 30% less armor..I believe it even out..
So as soon as I get top tear life regen items, situation will repeat..glass canon DH's who don't have enough DPS won't be able to kill me..You will come up with another set of rules banning another thing cause inspiring presence won't be enough to cover gear difference between 2 players..
cause that what You wanna do, make rules, so medium geared DH can compete with top geared barbs..
that's not the way to go..
p.s. I played against Blud on new rules yesterday...He basicly face palm me..When WD uses fire bats with echoing fury..barb stand no chance in coming towards him. 395k dps + SoJ..without inspiring presence 1 haunt have eatem me alive..let alone off-screen spirit barrage.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 06, 2013, 02:48:22 am »
Just did some diabloprogress digging..
Top DH's for PvP : 320k+ unbuffed 1,6m EHP...3,5-4m PvP dummy
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/scorpion-2883/Yan/17113771
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/kamhul-2452/Clemenza/637337
and when I look into Lilith profile: 220k dps unbuffed, 560k ehp, top 1000 pvp dummy (800k !!! - it's ~5 less than top DH!)..LOL
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/lilith-2321/Widmowa/1306251
When I wear me gear, I'm top 10 pvp Dummy barb in Europe...
Now, you make nerfs, based on fact that I preety much own every DH in this league, even the best legacy nat DH..but come on, where DH from this league stands to guys from top of the rankings?
ofc top 10 pvp dummy barb will own top 1000 pvp dumy dh..who is wearing inna pant's and cheap no resists no vitality witching hour for pvp? that's not good, You need ehp, and not die from 1 crit rend.
anyway, this just proofs, that this "balancing" is made by admin who played few games and decided to give it a go...once again I will say, balancing should be done on the highest lvl of gear on server, not by people signing to league..
Top DH's for PvP : 320k+ unbuffed 1,6m EHP...3,5-4m PvP dummy
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/scorpion-2883/Yan/17113771
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/kamhul-2452/Clemenza/637337
and when I look into Lilith profile: 220k dps unbuffed, 560k ehp, top 1000 pvp dummy (800k !!! - it's ~5 less than top DH!)..LOL
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/lilith-2321/Widmowa/1306251
When I wear me gear, I'm top 10 pvp Dummy barb in Europe...
Now, you make nerfs, based on fact that I preety much own every DH in this league, even the best legacy nat DH..but come on, where DH from this league stands to guys from top of the rankings?
ofc top 10 pvp dummy barb will own top 1000 pvp dumy dh..who is wearing inna pant's and cheap no resists no vitality witching hour for pvp? that's not good, You need ehp, and not die from 1 crit rend.
anyway, this just proofs, that this "balancing" is made by admin who played few games and decided to give it a go...once again I will say, balancing should be done on the highest lvl of gear on server, not by people signing to league..
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 06, 2013, 02:07:53 am »
Green, You are abusing me now. You are an admin and You are making personal trips here. I know this game through out from matematic point of view. I out gear You on every conspect of this game, both PvP and PvE...Never bought a gold nor anything on rmah...I made billions by flipping on AH, not by drops..You think I don't know about inna pants, while I use them for farming? And have 540k dps as Barb? Lol man..You are such a retarded average DH whose crying about 2bilions and not having money for legacy nat...2 bil is nothing.
This rules are retarded, already majority of top players said that..but all You want to do is make top players from medium players..I want to fight in competitive league with top players..but this rules are a joke....it's too many big changes at once..each small change affects game and gear in so many ways that is hard to describe...
I still don't understand why You don't wanna try 12% MS ban for Barb in DH vs Barb ? It would require only 1 item to change, not complete gear setup for something that won't be in use in any other league.
This rules are retarded, already majority of top players said that..but all You want to do is make top players from medium players..I want to fight in competitive league with top players..but this rules are a joke....it's too many big changes at once..each small change affects game and gear in so many ways that is hard to describe...
I still don't understand why You don't wanna try 12% MS ban for Barb in DH vs Barb ? It would require only 1 item to change, not complete gear setup for something that won't be in use in any other league.
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 05, 2013, 23:51:54 pm »
1 more thing...
I remember when I started league and lost with predsr standing no chance..I had 12% MS that days..when I siwtched to Lacunis I start winning with DH's..I just checked and both Lilith and predsr use rare bracers, not lacunis...and they were using it in past when they defeated me..so when I had 12% MS i was loosing with DH's..game change is now when I have 24% MS and DH's still have 12%...that's just plain stupid..how can top dh run with 12% ms?...they should all switch to lacunis and then make balance ideas...
Is there any TOP DH willing to do test while they have 24% MS instead of 12?
I remember when I started league and lost with predsr standing no chance..I had 12% MS that days..when I siwtched to Lacunis I start winning with DH's..I just checked and both Lilith and predsr use rare bracers, not lacunis...and they were using it in past when they defeated me..so when I had 12% MS i was loosing with DH's..game change is now when I have 24% MS and DH's still have 12%...that's just plain stupid..how can top dh run with 12% ms?...they should all switch to lacunis and then make balance ideas...
Is there any TOP DH willing to do test while they have 24% MS instead of 12?
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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 05, 2013, 22:30:57 pm »In my opinion, I think removing inspiring presence is a handicap for barbs.
If a DH user has good impale aim, and the barb has no inspiring presence, impale crits vs. the barb become very unforgiving, imagine 30k impale crits. You need 12-15seconds to regen just one crit? AND you have to chase a legacy nats user while being forced to take more impale crits?
The real "problem" with this matchup is not gear or balance in my opinion. I think Barb vs DH is pretty balanced. The problem is the SKILL level required to play.
It is extremely easy for a Barb to just sprint in non-linear patterns and try to cut off the DH with Leap/Charge. It is SO much harder for the DH to kite, manage discipline, react fast to leaps/charges, have unpredictable movement, need to have godly impale AIM (you never shoot at barbs, you shoot where they WILL be), etc.
I think this is just something that the players have to accept and overcome. It's very hard and needs skill, I know (and this is the most frustrating fact about DH vs Barb, that you have to outskill to be on even grounds). But if you interfere with this by giving barbs a handicap to accommodate DHs that have a hard time, then the "good" DHs will not lose to barbs
nothing to add...even top DH's saying that taking inspiring presence will kill barb won't convince other dh's.
that's so funny
someone brought up another important aspect..
atm most of DH use their farming high dps gear for PvP...barb need completly different setup..now You want to make this setup worthless...
I did check Vimer gear and it turns out that he has life regen on most peaces instead of vit..That's a cheaper option but atm this kind of items are very rare...I think he was able to face dh on new rules only because of this items and fact that he wasn't fighting agains top guys like Mystical.
anyway, You wait and see how many barbs will play in next season and what will be win ratio between dh.
atm in top 10 we have 2 barbs and 2 dh's.in top 15 4 dh's and 4 barbs...can it be more even?
and all of them lost quite a few games with dh's..
how do You think it will turn out with new rules? (tomas and iownyou play as monk and WD so i didn't count them)
Euronymous made a good post about 50/50 joke ratio