Diablo 3 Clan League - PvP forum
Duelling & Diablo 3 => Rules & development => Topic started by: Blud on February 28, 2013, 13:05:22 pm
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HI there guys,
I just wanted to provide a couple of suggestions that could be implemented, if not now, in the next season.
1) Prohibit gear switching. It's so lame in my opinion. Players should come up with a spec & gear set vs each class, and not change during combat depending on the situation. Most barbs switch gear versus me and if I don't switch gear, then I'm screwed.
2) Punishment to players no accepting challenges. If after let's say one week, a challenge hasn't been done, and there's evidence that one part was trying to carry it out, there should be a penalisation to the other part, like the double of the amount of points he would have lost/won if the challenge was conducted. As Euronymous had posted, the ones who are more active will be first, not the ones with better win/losss ratio.
Just that. Thank you very much for the awesome job you guys are doing, and just take what I say as feedback, not as whining xD. d3cl is awesome!!!!
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Gear switching is currently pending on rules dev forum. I'm not the most appropriate person to write about the rules so maybe someone else is.
Some players say punishment now is to high. They basically dont want to receive any w/o if duel didnt take place. I dont know exactly how many w/o we grant per day but i guess its about 10. Is this a real problem? In a small way for sure is. The worst are the shouters who did not respond and then ask everywhere why have they lost. We're still looking for the solution. I'm not sure if 2x points is ok.
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I don't understand this:
"I dont know exactly how many w/o we grant per day but i guess its about 10. Is this a real problem? In a small way for sure is."
What do you mean "w/o we grant per day"?
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if one of the players asked for a duel in communication system on challenge screen and his opponent did not respond - we grant a walkover. this is common situation. i know this is not a perfect way to finish unplayed duel but that's what we do. if you have better idea, go on :)
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w/o is commonly interpreted as without, hence the confusion.
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to avoid misunderstanding, w/o mark will be added to scores ened by w/o.
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I hope gear swap won't be allowed in new season.
At this point when I play against WD and I've decided to go offensive, WD goes TANKY, and as soon as i finish berserker he goes FULL dps mode.. Is that ok? To counter that, I have to switch to defensive gear too, thus we run like idiots for 2 min. waiting for cooldowns and we both switch again...Without this option, both classes would have to think about balance in ehp/dps and rounds would take much less time...Saying that Barbs are running around map waiting for cooldowns, etc...why is that?? cause the only way to kill top WD's at the moment, who switch half of the gear is to go all offensive and kill them twice within 13 sec window You have between 2 spirit walks.
And when it started? atm top WD's have almost BiS items +220-250k dps and they were killing everything..After a while I figured out how to tank while having enough DPS to kill them in this setup...What did they do? what they should do is reduce some of DPS and go more EHP..but that would be complicated and require thinking.. It's easier to start swapping shields, blackthorne set etc. so they can survive berserker and then they go back to full dps gear. It's ok, but don't complain that fights are getting long, cause that's how it going to be when gear switch will be allowed.
Atm I really enjoy Barbs vs Monk and Barb vs DH....Barb vs WD is full nonsense.
Gear switch should be allowed only between rounds.
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Cool, but how to prove that someone is gear swapping during the round? Make as a rule, that both players have to inspect each other gear on the battlefield before each round, than they should make screenshots of every item and then start dueling? Or they should film their duels? Anyways it sucks.
In my opinion, the only thing which we might to, to make things a bit better and still easly to check, to prove, to catch cheaters, is to ban main hand & offhand switching during the round, because its visible, easy to make a print screen, easy to prove that someone is cheating, without dozens of screens and time wasting.
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Cool, but how to prove that someone is gear swapping during the round? Make as a rule, that both players have to inspect each other gear on the battlefield before each round, than they should make screenshots of every item and then start dueling? Or they should film their duels? Anyways it sucks.
In my opinion, the only thing which we might to, to make things a bit better and still easly to check, to prove, to catch cheaters, is to ban main hand & offhand switching during the round, because its visible, easy to make a print screen, easy to prove that someone is cheating, without dozens of screens and time wasting.
In another topic, i think in rule development, there were few reasonable solutions for that.
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Switching main hand & offhand might be a good step forward, but it should apply to the whole set. It's pretty noticeable when somebody changes the whole set.
Besides, I totally agree with Devil. We must all aim at a perfect spec that can deal with many situations, and not just run around inspecting opponent during battle and switching those items you feel necessary. That is just so stupid.
On the other hand, I still don't get the walkover thing. It just means that the duel is cancelled? I had a challenge for days, it wasn't conducted, and I see today that it's been cancelled. This should not happen. It's not fair that some of the top players don't duel everybody cos they have less chances of losing points, since they carefully choose who to duel with.
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plz give me challenge id and i tell you what had happend
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I had a same situation with N0F3aR#2714 who just said that is afraid of fighting with me, but he keeps duleing with other classes. Challenge was canceled and nobody earned points.. I don't understand it. It happened today. Now I send another challenge and same story...He doesn't have the right gear.
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Do we want speak about Scorpion#2883 ? is a week that i try duel him and he is pretty alweys online and never accept alweys say no tnx i think this kind of player must be deleted from the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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id, id, id and i'll tell you everything :) however it's not my doing
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Getting loses without fighting, is the most bad aspect of this league @the moment.
I allways accept the challenge if the people ask me online, never denied one.
I love PvP, and thats the only reason why i play this game. I played in all leagues AoW, Duelliga, EuroPvP very active.
And thats why i am pissed of, because of this looses against people...i never would loos to. Am i forced to be online from 12:00 to 24:00 everyday to meet the children online? What if i play only from 22:00? I guess no...
In D2 Duelliga we handled it like this:
You see the opponent is online, you ask him for a duel.
- If there is no response >> Screen. <---handle it as denie Nr.1
- Ask on next day again. If he don´t likes to duel >> Screen. <--- handle it as denie Nr.2
- Ask on next day again @ denie nr.3 don´t care why... >> Screen. Send those screens to a judge...earn a 5:0 over this player.
This would be fair, and nobody get´s fucked with looses he doesn´t deserve.
I hope you think very good about this post.
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Getting loses without fighting, is the most bad aspect of this league @the moment.
I allways accept the challenge if the people ask me online, never denied one.
I love PvP, and thats the only reason why i play this game. I played in all leagues AoW, Duelliga, EuroPvP very active.
And thats why i am pissed of, because of this looses against people...i never would loos to. Am i forced to be online from 12:00 to 24:00 everyday to meet the children online? What if i play only from 22:00? I guess no...
In D2 Duelliga we handled it like this:
You see the opponent is online, you ask him for a duel.
- If there is no response >> Screen. <---handle it as denie Nr.1
- Ask on next day again. If he don´t likes to duel >> Screen. <--- handle it as denie Nr.2
- Ask on next day again @ denie nr.3 don´t care why... >> Screen. Send those screens to a judge...earn a 5:0 over this player.
This would be fair, and nobody get´s fucked with looses he doesn´t deserve.
I hope you think very good about this post.
That's why you have message system on d3cl site, you can post that "i'm online after 22:00, and cannot be before this hour" and judges know that you want to fight. If you don't send any message that means you don't interested in playing with that guy = w/o.
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but we use this method but in much simplier way. there's a in-website communicator. you dont have to do screenshots. we see all messages between players. all you have to do is to answer or write first when you want to play. if both players cant make a deal about duel time - we wont grant a walkover to anyone in this situation. i think its fair? we grant a walkover ONLY in another player is not responding (which is consistent with what you have written).
i'll accurately describe the whole procedure in rules. i know it's not working good because not all players know how it works.
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I can´t remember, that those guys asked me 2-3 times on this site. And i can´t remember that those guys asked me for a duel online. But ok Mag, Green..Thank you for your responses. I´ll know about this now.
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plz tell me challenge id (the whole link is ok too) and i'll check this out. i see all comments in finished duels, you cant :) (this will be modified soon). all your feedback about league system is very important to me. there's a lot of work to do and i agree - walkovers sux
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Actually, I'm the one who is giving w/o and canceling the matches.
Our rules are really simple, We've got logs in our communicator where we can see who was online and when, ofk what is he writing in EACH! challange and those are arguments for me, what to do with any match. As you saw for sure, I'm always writing the reason, why my decision was made like that, so I'm pretty sure that actually system of taking care the challenges is in a fair play spirit.
All of you can fell free to pm me here and ask me or show me some s/s why you should win match vs xx player and every other thinks which are related with this case.
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@ Mag
http://www.d3cl.com/en/league/viewchallenge/4287
http://www.d3cl.com/en/league/viewchallenge/4270
@ Green "My message" log is empty, i didn´t get any messages from you, where do you write the reasons to be informed to?
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this is not a challenge. its your profile ;)
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for example http://www.d3cl.com/en/league/viewchallenge/4287
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Gear swapping is a probem IF make umballanced a duel.
If both can do it and both can handle it = no need to set a rule for this (Imo)
-When u swap items oppenet could get advantage of this situation ( 1 sec maybe or a bit more)
-It's really really hard to check if sm1 swapped samthing during a duel.. There are also invisible items.. he could swap again... u shuld have a video of the duel and even with that he could have swapped in a hidden spot...
Rules of next season will be ofc not perfect first of all cose we can't do what blizz shuld do and also cose we all need to test alot more builds and tattics to find out new problems or bannable items/spec...
The best thing we can do is keep rules easy to be applicable
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Thank you Mag, i´ve editet my post. So whats happening now with this issue?
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Green, when duel is finished, players cant see any messages, even yours.
in both cases you did not respond.
zalesSG#2175 2013-02-27 10:10:03
play ?
Emmett#2681 2013-02-27 02:10:35
Will back saturday
i wouldnt grant him a walkover in the 2nd one.i would be more merciful ;)
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It isn´t a realy bad case Mag...coz it´s only a testing and rule developing season.
Now i am informed exactly about this terms, and will answer on every question as soon as possible.
Here again my idea for you.
- Let the people generally ask 3 times on 3 diffrent days. If there is no response, give the Walkover.
In my eyes, that is the most fair thing you can do for all players. If i got to answer "active", the people who want to fight have to ask "active" either. Asking once, just isn´t enough to get a win over a descent player.
Look @ my actual "Awaiting Challenges". I´ve asked 3 of them allready 2 times, and one of them 3 times. I ask tomorrow again, if there will be no answer <---- Walkover "OK".
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2 or 3 times in different days is ok for me. i'll put it on rule dev forum
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Make it "3" Mag.
Let´s start a firework for a new Rule being born! Yeaha ;D
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Here is a great idea on how to manage gear swapping if it is to be banned. If one player suspects another of gearswapping here is how to prevent it:
1) Both players enter into the dueling arena and if they cannot agree to no item swapping ask a moderator to join.
2) A moderator joins the game with an inventory of 29 junk items (2 slots each) and 1 junk ring/belt/amulet (1 slot). Then the moderator asks each of the players to pick up all 30 items resulting in occupying 59 slots (leaving one for potions).
3) If a player cannot pick up all the items, they will be asked to dump excess items into their storage and try again. When a player has shown they can pick up all the items, they drop them again.
4) Once both players pass this test, one can be sure both players have a fully empty inventory (with potion allowed).
5) This test can be repeated between duels if either player exits the arena.
While this is time-consuming, it is a 100% effective way to prevent gear swapping.