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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 15, 2013, 07:13:10 am  »

Thanks for the video, great news for DH. You can save money and buy a cheap legacy nats instead of your overpriced new nats and let the individual skill decide the match.

Not that great news - it gonna be more and more ppl who want to play PvP, and when I bought this set it was only 2 not full pages on AH with helmet with socket, so it will just end soon. Legacy nat rings with cd or cc are 1-2 units on AH, armors with +10 dyscy too. If we don't make different rules now we will have to do it in future, because many of new DH players in league gonna see that legacy nat is "Must have" and they will write here as I wrote before 1.2.5 rules.

your test actually say not much in my opinion. but nvm.
you can never say just from 1 or 2 duels that a specific set is superior to the other set.
like i said it needs MONTHS of testing in usual league to see if legacy or non legacy users are in front! not just some duels of someone that DOES WANT LEGACY to be banned.
not like testing some duel with shitty old and shitty new nats vs different players....

THAT IS SNAPSHOT OF DAYSKILL, thats it. we all know u cant afford good old nats or good new nats and thats why u want to ban one opinion of it so u maybe someday can get a good set of one of it.

and btw: old nats with cc = only LOW LOW LOW more dmg then without cc on helmet. so u cant say really old nats bad is much worse then old nats good.  stats cannot varie alot in old nats set.... 4cc = maybe 14kdmg with ur items, thats not gamechanging!
 and there is only 1 ring in eu with cc + cd.... rest have either cd or cc not both.
 
there will be no rule for old and new nats because u still cannot force any1 to buy different items to play in the league.
ppl that have new play new, ppl that have old play old. old nats players arent forced to buy new one.
new nats players arent forced to buy old one... AND NO THEY ARE NOT FORCED BECAUSE ITS BETTER only because u feel it is!

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 14, 2013, 20:25:53 pm  »

just dueled GREEN2172

and he won more matches then i did... and both of us used legacy nats... my gear is much better but he killed me more often.. that shows skill and timing in dh vs dh is much more important then items.
he has just alot more practice in dh mirrormatches and wins with items much lower then i have.

i think in dh vs dh it matters much about skill and timings and not much about items.
new nats have less discregen but with and discpool over 70 and prep u should not run out of disc + u can tank more dmg so maybe tank 1 impale or sth... that needs 2 skillshots to kill u then.

not sure about it. i think green recorded the stuff and will maybe upload also if it does not show much

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 14, 2013, 15:54:54 pm  »

yesterday i watched mannercookies stream and he dueled a really well geared legacy dh that did not kill him 1 time! he had no chance because he had too low dmg.

couple days agoa new nats user won vs mannercookie in long duels.
as u can see there are many ways you can see it and i think its not enough duels and players so far to say something is op or not.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 14, 2013, 10:04:47 am  »

No, its Pathetic how you Act. Its made an Decission about This Rule Anyway Which was THe right One so nevermind. Most ppl reading this know u r wrong. U can do Ur Video but it will Proof nothing because it is YOUR playstyle and skill...  Other ppl Play other styles.. And sometimes u win and sometimes u lose. i can duel u with new and old nats and maybe u win when i use old and u lose va new... that can always happen aAnd The Top dhs in this League already said new nats can be superior.
Just let everYOne use what he wants to.
BTW: New nats with Good stats is Even more expansive Then Old nats with Good stats! Old nats only THe Helm is Really extensive! New nats all over Worth much more! Ofc Not such as u use... Like i Said u Must duel ppl with Same value of items! That to u Saying ppl get forced to buy Old nats..

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 14, 2013, 07:01:32 am  »

@franq: If you read my posts so closely you know that I wrote about NOT banning old nat, but making different rules:)
If new nat is so good, prO etc. as you said, why the hell you're using old?^^
I can argue with you all day, but I do not want to spam forum, then I will short my message to: everybody can give their feedback, so f*ck off from me:)

if legacy is so pro why the hell r u using new? same question u ask me.
another thing: i tried both nats.. new and old with good stats. so i can say new nats is even better some times. and yes i consider using it in some duels, too!
the problem with u is: u did not try old nats! and u actually can tell NOTHING about playing with it but u keep saying there is advantage here is advantate in some matchups.
how can u do that if u dont even play it? its hard enough to kill high ehp barb with low dmg u just never tried it.

another thing: barbs on YOUR GEAR LEVEL should be easy enough to deal with.
if u want to duel the top barbs get high end eq and stop saying u cant win without legacy nats if u dont have this endgame eq the barbs use...

u cant win vs overgeared champs if u self are not.

and yes i have 2 duels in d3cl but i dueleD ALOT alot more ppl before registering here, also some guys that already dueled here.

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2.5

« on: March 13, 2013, 17:47:04 pm  »

And again:

GREEN2172 is the ONLY guy crying about legacy nats allllllll day long in every damn topic...
dude... buy legacy nats to be fine with duels or buy good new nats... YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE OF THEM so stop complaining about legacy nats and duel ppl that are geared at YOUR LEVEL. then you may have a chance to win!
its not about legacy nats its about you being not able to duel proper geared guys.
i duel with my new legacy nats barbs even better because i need only 4-5 hits to kill them instead of 8-10 and with the high reg of barbs duels with legacy take for EVER because of the low dmg. and btw: with legacy i do more dmg then you without legacy so ITS FOR SURE then u think its op because u lose to better geared guys then u r!

omg stop crying like a little kid in every topic... sorry for my words but i cant read it anymore.. u r the only guy doing this.

New nats with more ehp and more dmg with high discpool (70 +) its easier to survive alot of things mostly dots from wds. and you dont take forever to kill high ehpguys and stuff... just think about it.. u r bringing the same arguments over and over and many ppl told you its different then u think.
its not meant offending against you but u dont have high end gear, but you want to duel high end ppl.
old nats is expensive. a good new nats is even more expensive. let every1 do their own choice what do play and stop this oldnatsban spam.

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Rules & development / Re: Natalya legacy set

« on: March 10, 2013, 20:24:20 pm  »

Your right i dont know the problems of your side, thats why im asking for suggestion on what you think would balance the matches out

We both know that we will die in face to face situation with good barb dont matter what set we have. The problem is you can hit&run all the time, we can hit&run maybe 30 seconds. With non-legacy DH barb should have banned big hp regeneration or sprint.

The same problem is with legacy DH vs non-legacy DH - we both can kill each other with 1-2 shoots, but non-legacy just dont have dyscypline after 10-15 seconds of fight and he die. The only way to face legacy dh without legacy set is to make full tank with 40k dps for gear worth 10b or more (like emmet). In this duel we should make something to balance dysc (banning preparation in legacy DH?) or banning speed passive in legacy DH (to forbid their hit&run tactics until enemy dont have dyscypline).

if you forbid hit and run tactics until enemy has reged up the disc its a big advantage for new nats users because they have more dmg and more ehp and still the same amount of disc comparing to legacy users... lol bad idea...
its as if u play oldnat without discregen vs newnat!

and for the example vs barb... its just ... ban inspiring presence for new nats users... EDIT: new nats users or even mempo users do average 90k more dmg UNBUFFED what also helps ALOT in killing high hp barbs comparing to oldnats users...

for old nats vs new nats... maybeeeee ban tactical advantage... but still if u have a decent disc pool with like 60-70 u wont run out of disc ... as many ppl wrote in rules topic that actually play new nats and dont want oldnats ban..

i use both sets old and new one(bad new one) and in some situations even new one is better... but MOST ppl cant afford both with good stats and the ones that use old one now cant just buy new ones if it gets banned...

the ones with new ones ofc can keep using it because it wont ever get banned... so simple: dont ban any of them because u cant force ppl to buy new items they farmed hundreds of hours for or spend real money!

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Rules & development / Re: Natalya legacy set

« on: March 10, 2013, 16:33:19 pm  »

@GREEN2172

I think it is really funny. I read almost everything of these forum the last days and there is one thing about you.
IN EVERY TOPIC talking about legacy nats or balancing the league YOU ARE THE ONLY GUY that is so massive against legacy nats and you write to all topics with: BAN IT, WOULD BE AWESOME, FIXES PROBLEMS, ETC many times.

Why dont you just let legacy users be legacy users... they probably paid much to get one and if u think its so good you can save money and get one, too. There are so many on the AH every day! But there arent even many DHS using it here... Many use new Nats and do even better then guys with the old one. There is pros and cons everywhere!

But i think nobody should be forced to buy other items in this league EVER because some of us played hundreds of hours to get what we have and some of us probably paid real money, too.

Balancing must go via spells and other rules.

Most people in these forums here are fine with legacy nats but i feel you are the only guy that wants it banned so hard.
Its everyones own decision: Buy one on the ah or use new nats or even Mempo-Build as dh.
Also you cant tell a Barb that paid billions of gold for PVP Gear (maybe just as legacy dh) to not buy high hp gear or lifereg gear like some of the top barbs.

Just my 2cents lol...