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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: July 13, 2013, 17:47:17 pm  »

my ideas for blizzard developers:

WD - delete spirit vessel passive, spirit walk doesnt dispell aoe-effects and dots
DH - rapid fire back to what it was but lowered recources costs, give dh a 10% buff to impale
Sorc - strongly reduce the cd of teleport - maybe 2 sec?
Barb - give Ignore Pain a 2 sec cc immunity and overpower crushing advanced rune 1 single cc break instead of 35% absorbshield, change wotb 100% more dps rune to 33%

- wd back in line
- dh can use skill needed builds again
- sorc gains some mobility .. dps and survivability is okie atm
- barb needs hardly anti cc

... monk is difficult its in line somehow but only usable with great gear and glasscanon build

if all that would change i think rules would be not longer needed

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: July 13, 2013, 17:25:42 pm  »

Barb vs Barb - no restrictions
Barb vs DH - knho´s suggestions
Barb vs Monk - no WOTB
Barb vs Sorc - no WOTB
Barb vs WD - no spirit vessel passive + (maybe ban plaque bats rune)

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: June 03, 2013, 06:25:53 am  »

wd was he best pvp char from the beginning...

and guess what? blizzard gave him 3 incredible nice buffs!

1. 25% more ehp
2. 2% lifereg
3. a skill that does i cant really say but about 3 mio dmg/s out of 200 k dps that u can use to kill someone that is sheeped 1 time and got no single anti cc spell

wotb using is so incredible stupid

good wd dont even use pets in this phase use no dps at all just ran around 1 corner according to the fury cost of wotb u have to use dumb setup anyway to have fury for 3 hits everytime u use sprint even 1 more hota hit is gone
if the wd using 140 k life setup u need 2 crits to kill him after wotb u are dead without weapon swich

guess what the win statistics in those matches look like ^^

and yes the difference is that vs every other class i am able to avoid minimum 50% of the incoming dps wd always gets his 100% and furthermore he is the only class we cannot use rend the only pvp viable attack because the wd is just immune to this even monk and dh get at least 50% of the dmg if they use their anti

barb has no anti cc at all only got some nice running abilities that work together with liferegen and the problem vs wd is the dps in a row ... i can not even use my overpower shield nor my 2 mio ehp giving healthpot while sheeped

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: June 02, 2013, 18:04:41 pm  »

you just dont get it ...

even if we had perfect items + 300 extra str + 300 extra vita there would still be no chance vs wd!

we can not even use perfect statz at all! because we are forced to use some -fury cost items, fury regen passives or extra life on healpots stat on items! together with faster run

how i come up with those numbers?
if i use my 18 mio ehp setup together with all def passives and mitigation skills together with relentless zone, 30 k healpots and liferegen i end up somewhere at 40 mio ehp

to kill those 40 mio ehp every pure dps sorc and dh needs longer than an 230 k dps wd and thats just not the right scaling in my eyes

same at ehp! 140 k life wd using his 2 lifes and permasheep and the new stupid liferegen can stand even longer vs dps dh than any tank barb!

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: June 02, 2013, 11:08:38 am  »

@euro i just read your item-post ....

it is just not correct that we have not good enough items! according to all optimized calculation we know whats the best 1 hand + shield and best 2 hand combination.

and it is not so far away from the wd items because also perf vile ward and perf lacuni fit those perfect setups the pvp problem of barb is that u cannot play with these setups because blizzard gave us no anti cc!

if we use the best items in the world we are not pvp competitive because we end up buffed with ~ 200 k dps and 8 mio ehp!
as we have no anti cc every barb dies in first cc phase because lack of anti cc what forces barbs to use stupid wotb or use gimp tank setup ending up @ 90 k dps and 16 mio ehp because thats the only way to go at the moment and the items u need for that are mostly rares that u can only craft and that are difficult to maximise

if blizzard gives us a viable anti cc or skills that scale with our dps for example not a lol 120% weapon dps on our best pvp skill whirlwind but maybe 300% u will cry if we use our best in slot items

for example look at airbusor he has nice dummy items and is just not competitive in his setup as he dies in 1 sheep or rapid fire series with his 8 mio ehp

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: June 02, 2013, 09:35:24 am  »

its not a problem of items!

problem @ wd is the dps scaling

all 250 k dps wd have same dps potential as 600 k dps dh and monk and thats the problem blizzard! has to solve

its not that funny that a 140 k life wd has the same survivability like 16 mio ehp tankbarb and still 180 k dps thats similar to  350-400k dps demon hunters

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: May 31, 2013, 12:57:37 pm  »

i really have to be honest, objective and fair and so i can only talk about Barb vs other classes.

i fought vs many players of different classes and i have contact to the other barbs with highend-pvp-gear and we talk about strategies.

according to that tests i made my prefered rules right here some hours ago.

- generally i have to say that the overall balance by blizzard is not that bad
- barb design is ok in my eyes only wotb 100% dps rune is not in line with all other skills in the game
- generally lifereg doesnt fit the pvp system at all and only causes problems, especially now the 2% for wd and 4% for dh are just mistakes in pvp development
- wd is by design now too strong by the combination of dps/mitigation potential so we have to find a way to bring it back in line or blizzard will do for us in future maybe by braking sheep if victim lose more than 20% of his max life or something like that - only 1effective  nerf would bring wd back in line

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: May 31, 2013, 06:16:22 am  »

@ euro

you really  need a bit more objective view of the situation... i think u lack on that because maybe u dont play enough this days.

it is really not all bad this days! but especially for barb the season 2 rules are worse and the season 3 prediction is just a joke. If you want nice hints how to make rules just ask the active top players.

Yes vimer is #1 but only because the lack of good players playing d3cl and usind open brawl instead because of the rules.

My rule-prediction according to my class - and i really test every damn day!

Barb vs dh:
warcry norune if dh use not rf - no rules if dh using rf
and goddamn why u want to ban legacy set? there is really no sense in this!

Barb vs monk:
no rules at all is just fine as it is still balanced @ ultra gear lvl

Barb vs wd:
always talk to vimer and why he can beat scorpion and blud and euro not for example, what mistakes some wd do in wotb phase and so on. we can kill 97% of all d3cl appearing wds but still get raped in public games vs skilled wd players.
I agree on vimers spirit walk + vessels theory

Barb vs sorc:
can´t do any predictions because there is still no active ultragearlvl sorc around to test with

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Rules & development / Re: Rules proposal for the 3rd season - open discussion

« on: May 30, 2013, 12:45:38 pm  »

i really want to be constructive but all i have to say is:

season 1 : 300 players
season 2 : 50 players
season 3 : 10 players

not at least because of rules politics .. even no rules were better than all this

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 25, 2013, 17:58:45 pm  »

mass dps

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 25, 2013, 16:54:14 pm  »

2 hand only works if the dh has low budged gear

if he try this vs "real" dh he is oneshot

if u want to fight the only barb really using 2 hand on high lvl try me

i will go on playing this style if i get my warcry back vs the rapid fire rocket abuse
2 hand worked that fine vs dh that the barb was nerfed because the dh had no chance against it
so the barb got 15% hp nerf that isnt any longer needed since the dh got a dunno 90% ? dps buff with rapid fire

now u need 10 mio ehp not to be oneshot by dh (high gear lvl dh) in 2 hand u never reach more than 8 mio ehp with the warcry nerf so the setup is not viable any more and all barbs are forced to use tank

if u get caught by wotb u made mistakes - no barb is using wotb vs dh because it doesnt work at all vs top 10 dh

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 16, 2013, 22:58:01 pm  »

yes @ predsr since there are some skilled dh like lilith and knho that refuse to use rf the impale setup should be buffed as it was tested and mentioned by the ptr rules (warcry no rune)

if dh use rf the barb needs wc +15% dodge ! totally agree @ predsr!

i really test a lot and even with 13 mio ehp anf 60 k dps setup i have so damn problems to survive even in public games
to name just 2 examples the dh with names chen and error really do extreme dps if they use the right rf build.


and the rf stack alot in dps if dh is using new nat set

@ darkraven if the dh is not playing dps and only stands @ 1 turret > use ~9 mio ehp some decent dps and kill him by attacking every 10 sec if overpower is rdy and use wotb and dps-charge will work vs 95% the dh that really could abuse it play dps anyway
If the dh usses 3 turrets and spikes and everything to tank blame him bunker style abuse

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 15, 2013, 17:05:30 pm  »

@ darkraven

its difficult to realise and in diablo2 it was tested and not really a sucess

blizzard has only 1 chance anyway and thats team-pvp

even 2 on 2 is much more fun than 1 on 1 so far and there is only a minimal chance for stalemates

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 14, 2013, 11:39:31 am  »

Tested the Ballistic passive dmg, and the dmg seems about right, i cant see anything abnormal there

Hi pred, can you plz take new nat set + dps gear + rocket rune + ballistic and test the dmg @ normal barbs i have seen so many dying in the first 2 secs.

This seems to work as intended. Rapid fire should do in total 649 % weapon damage/s for me, and that is over 3 million dps / second in dps gear. Tested with NoFear and sure he died within a couple of seconds, but that seemd reasonable

and this is working as intended? come on guys!

No impale demonhunter can do 9 mio damage if he roots the barb for 2 seconds but exactly thats happening if you get caught by the new rapid fire bullshit!

I tell you the truth - blizzard buffed the dh by giving new rapid fire thats a fact. And the rules dont take this into account because they are still 1.07 rules ...
The setup dh vs barb is totally broken now IF YOU DONT ALLOW WC - ALL RUNES IMMEDIATELY .
It changed to a gearcheck somehow. There is only 1 possible setup again that you can play as a barb vs dh and its a Tank-Setup.

- minimum 10 mio ehp and 65 k or more dps unbuffed + overpower + wc (no rune) + -30% dps inc cry (ign pain optional)

some old styles that are broken now because u cant reach the stats above:

- runner barb using 24% run endless fury and 60-80 k dps, and charge (vimer, devil last season)
- pvp-dummy barbs using decent life and > 100k dps unbuffed (airbusor)
- 2-handed barb (executioner)
- agressive barb using endless fury and combined jump and charge (nofear)

you just force us all to play stalemate tank barb and alle the other 4 categories are out of the game!

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Community information and announcements / Re: US & EU D3CL Season #2

« on: May 13, 2013, 16:11:04 pm  »

@Executioner and Darkraven ( our tank specialists )

I started a fun char on US some days ago and ran into this guy -->君千羽-3393
Pls check his profile and tell me what you think. I have yet to see a barb comparable to this....
Best regards,
-Inferno-

well that guy is in my friendlist and he got the best weapon in the world because the seller didnt answered my request and yes its the best dps/ehp build for pvp so far in my opinion - wutongshu#1668 and keowen#1552 have also nice potential gear