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The Demon Hunter / DH vs Rest (TacticZ+Little guide)
« on: March 05, 2013, 15:51:09 pm  »
Let´s talk about "How to" beat the other classes in the most effective way.
As a gear suggestion, i just can lean on the Nats set, coz we need the maximum of Discipline! If you can afford a good legacy Set, you´ll feel like a ninja and have a good time in duels, because the most bad thing about a DH in my eyes is the slow discipline regeneration! I´ve also tested to be tanky with a very good BT set, for me it´s not effective, low dmg and low discipline, we got to hit hard, and be on the move.

Resis: 450-500 unbuffed is enough for me, the more you got, the more dmg you loos
Dex: 2800 + get as much as possible
Vitality: I go fine with 80 k HP unbuffed, vs Wizzard/WD 95+ k HP
Critical DMG: 350 + is a must! I stack as much as possible
Critical Chance: Take as much as possible!!

1. DH vs Barb

Skills:

- Evasive fire
- Impale - Chemical Burn
- Vault - Tumble
- Smoke Screen - Lingering Fog
- Preparation - Battle Scars
- Marked for Death

Passives:

- Steady Aim
- Sharpshooter
- Tactical Advantage

The added damage of Steady Aim can be very important against high EHP targets, you need all the damage you can get!

Tactics

- You need 24 ms!
- Use vault, most of time! You´ll need every drop of your discipline. DON´t let him rend you!
- Run away when he use "Ignore pain"!
- Take 500+ Physical resistance

When "Ignore pain" is over, they have 23 cooldown on it, thats the time when you have to be very aggressive and make pressure! Be carefull, if you´re not a legacy set user! 1 crit rend will force your preparation, the second one will kill you.

Another possible option by Iria

I have had a recent success using Impale - Impact vs Barbs. I apply Marked for Death - Mortal Enemy and equip Impale cost -9 equipment (if you can get more -cost go for it). Next, I fire a few Impales at the Barb when they approach, if I stun and hit them a few times, they will usually apply Ignore Pain. At this point I stop, and retreat while I regenerate my hatred. Once I am back to full hatred I engage the Barb in a spot not excessively close to a corner (so that if they move a little I can still hit them). I unload my entire Hatred pool with Impacts and I will usually kill them! For this setup, I sometimes switch out Sharpshooter for Archery. Of course the Barb can use Juggernaut passive against this build, but the Barbs I've faced didn't want to give up Unforgiving or Relentless for it, and NO Barb will EVER give up Inspiring Presence.

A vs Barb guide for legacy DH´s by "Predsr"!

Just a few tips vs barbs as they seem to be the hardest class it seems, the skills noted below i dont always use 100%, all depends on the barbs gear/skills.This is only from a Legacy set POV.
This is not realy a what spec/skills to use, but more of a howto use some skills to maximum effect, since theres no 'one' pro build vs barbs.

Hungering Arrow>Spray of Teeth
Successful Critical Hits cause a burst of bone to explode from the target, dealing 50% weapon damage to enemies in that area. <<This 50% aoe dmg hits the first target also, so IF you crit, another 50% crit will hit(basicly 172.5% weapon CRIT dmg) Ive yet to test Evasive fire vs this skill, mostly because i feel ill lose the 'perks' that it gives, such as hitting them around the corner, but mostly because of the dmg is much higher when you crit, but also the same arrow has a chance to crit again if it peirces
This coupled with a quiver with HA dmg + SoJ with HA dmg can pack quiet a punch (I suggest a cold SoJ as its needed for the 'chase and kill' phase)

Brooding
I use this vs barbs to pretty much negate thier rend dmg, this is one of the skills i cant play without vs barb, but to make to work effectivly you primarily need HP ~90k+ (res/armour etc will make this even stronger), so for example, if you have 100k hp, you will regen 1k hp per second, this makes non crit rend almost feel like it never hit

Impale>Chemical burn
The one big mistake i see used with this skill is people overwriting the crit DoT dmg.  When you crit with your initial impale hit(you will see yellow numbers on impact), this will also apply a CRIT DoT, which almost does the same amount of damage as your initial hit, what i seen people do, and myself for that matter, is spam impale when its not needed (you can save that for later which ill explain later)
If you spam a second impale and its not a crit, it will overwrite the crit dot with a non crit dot, so you lose ALOT lose dps <this is hard to do if your not used to it but it becomes second nature after you can spot the dot dmg numbers
The best time to spam impale is when your going for the kill, this is usualy 1 sec AFTER their ignore pain skill has expired, what i genraly tend to do (IF im using sharpshooter - explained below) is when they pop ignore pain, just kite, and count 6 seconds in your head, soon as its over, its the GO FOR THE KILL phase, you should be close to 100% crit again, so try spam 2 impales and make them hit as they both impale shots will be 100% crits, also being the most dps.
Another tip is when chasing, the barb will probably weave in and out of walls, try use impale 0.5 sec before they dissapear out of line of sight, this way the dot will still be ticking when they are behind the walls
This is also the only phase where you can try to spam impale and hopefuly get those string of crits

Sharpshooter - passive
This bonus is reset 1 seconds after you successfully critically hit
reset 1 second after you crit is the key here, this means that providing you got more than 1 APS, your first two impales will be 100% crits(or any 2 skills for that matter), so always try to make sure you spam two shots of impale, this will add up to 2 crits + dot crit (265%+265%+220% dot crit - the first two depends if they dont dodge/block but the last 220% will always apply)

Vault
This is the hardest skill to master as its your main kiting tool vs barb and everyone thinks its easy to use but its the skill that sets the good from the bad. after ptr i dueled barbs and i just vaulted and tried not to get hit by skills till they rage quit the game. Theres another thing that most people dont know about vault, and its the exact same mechanic taken from World of Warcraft raiding.  If you played WoW remeber it was always best to 'move' out of fire rather than 'jump' away? this is because when you jump away, the game still thinks your in your original position on the map UNTILL you 'land' and same mechanics apply to vault. So basicly if a barb comes near you, and you vault, your body will still be next to the barb for 0.5 sec, even tho onscreen youve vaulted from him, and you will get hit by rend even tho you vaulted away, if you want to get out of range fast, use smokescreen as the passive tactical advantage will give you extra movement speed.

Thrill of the hunt - passive
One thing to note is that barbs can both CHARGE and LEAP to break this effect, so only use it after they have used those skills, Thrill is counted a 'root' effect, these can be broken, however skills like impale>impact is a 'stun' effect, these cant be broken

2. DH vs Monk

Snipe at long range with Impale - Grievous Wounds and Vault/Smokescreen away. Retreat when they use Serenity. Watch out for Wave of Light - Explosive Light (it is their only somewhat good move against DH) as well as Blinding Flash. Try to not use Smokescreen while immediately next to the Monk or they can use Blinding Flash to stun you and get a free hit (possibly 1-hit-ko). This is a very easy match-up. Just go full DPS, even in EHP gear, you can likely be 1-shot from a critical Wave of Light. If the Monk is really aggressive with Dashing Strike, consider Fan of Knives - Retaliate for when they don't have Serenity up!


3. DH vs Wizzard

Use Impale - Overpenetration or Cluster Arrow - Loaded for Bear to blast the pack of mimics they use. You need EHP for this match-up to survive a few thunder bolts. Use a Boar (or any targetable pet like Wolf or Spider) to help mitigate Storm Armor. Other than that, this is an easy match up with Smokescreen.


4. DH vs WD

With the curent rules,

- If the WD is good geared, and uses a bit of his brain vs DH, you can do 3 things:

1. --> Leave the fucking chapell
2. --> Don´t waste your time
3. --> Submit a 0:5

If the WD is bad geared, and a sucker overall, you can try the following stuff:

Try Bola Shot - Acid Bolas if they use pets, you can sometimes get through the pack and hit the WD. Another option is to rush in with Fan of Knives - Hail of Knives or Fan of Daggers to greatly damage the WD on rush. Bait them into using their Spirit Walk to approach, then Vault/Smokescreen at them and Fan of Knives. If you don't trigger their Spirit Vessel, then immediately fire some Impale - Chemical Burn at them from close range. Once they trigger Spirit Vessel, retreat and get ready for another burst of damage to finish them off. Use the Boar companion to help eat haunts; you also need higher EHP than normal for this match-up as well (like against the Wizard).
You can also try it with "Cluster Arrow - Loaded for Bear", instead of Fan of Knives.
The high AE damage is important here, because it isn´t eazy to hit WD´s when they´re surroundet by all the pets.


5. DH vs DH

A very annoying fight. Typically if both players have enough EHP to not get 1-shot, then the winner will be decided by who has more discipline (Legacy Natalya's set wins here by far if the user has enough EHP). Basically, it is a duel of Smokescreen, Vault, and very careful aiming and prediction. There is also an element of luck: both in predicting where the enemy DH will appear, and also in the dodge system which may negate your attacks entirely!
Also notice, you can try to snipe with impale smoked DH´s, as the dots can´t be dodged, it could burn a lot of the enemys HP.

Thanks a lot to ~ Iria, Lilith, MysticaL, Predsr ~

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 05, 2013, 15:24:25 pm  »
I´ve just posted this @ the "Legacy Nats" Topic. I quess it´s also belonging too in this discussion.

I got the new Nat Set, and i am fighting a lot of Barbarians. If you look @ my profile, i got not the absolutely top gear, but it´s still far away from average. Im sure that i am not as good as Lilith or Mysticalz @ the moment, and i got to practice a lot more....but, i only can agree with Green here.

The duels vs Barbs (Painsup, Sprint, Rend, Chicken, Regenerate) <--- Standart style nowadays, is just making me mad.
When i hit them hard, they just sprint away and regenerate, i am forced to chase them and waste all my discipline to get a "Maybe" kill, if i can´t kill him...he just fucks me up, coz im out of disci. Ofcourse i just can say "F... you", i don´t chase you, but then he will everytime come out back from behind the walls with full hp, and the game starts again. The duel lasts so long, till he lands 2 lucky rends, for the cost of all my 158 discipline = Dead. I would very appreciate if the experienced non legacy DH´s give me information ( How to) about their dominating vs Barbarians, i am allways willing to learn.

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Rules & development / Re: Natalya legacy set
« on: March 05, 2013, 15:13:58 pm  »
I got the new Nat Set, and i am fighting a lot of Barbarians. If you look @ my profile, i got not the absolutely top gear, but it´s still far away from average. Im sure that i am not as good as Lilith or Mysticalz @ the moment, and i got to practice a lot more....but, i only can agree with Green here.

The duels vs Barbs (Painsup, Sprint, Rend, Chicken, Regenerate) <--- Standart style nowadays, is just making me mad.
When i hit them hard, they just sprint away and regenerate, i am forced to chase them and waste all my discipline to get a "Maybe" kill, if i can´t kill him...he just fucks me up, coz im out of disci. Ofcourse i just can say "Fuck you", i don´t chase you, but then he will everytime come out back behind the walls with full hp, and the game starts again. The duel lasts so long, till he lands 2 lucky rends, for the cost of all my 158 discipline = Dead.Dead. I would very appreciate if the experienced non legacy DH´s give me information ( How to) about their dominating vs Barbarians, i am allways willing to learn.

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German Section / Re: ola
« on: March 05, 2013, 14:30:35 pm  »
Mahlzeit die Herren  :o

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Russian Section / Re: na zdrovje
« on: March 05, 2013, 14:27:06 pm  »
What´s up :) Where are my best friends Mol and Playboy??
Get them to this fuqqin league, then love is in the air again  :-*

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Rules & development / Re: Ruleversion 1.2
« on: March 04, 2013, 18:48:16 pm  »
I will fight some WD´s today, so what is it exactly now in DH vs WD?

No "Zombiedogs" and no "Gargantuan"? Or "Zombiedogs or Gargantuan"?
If they got the choice, then i totaly agree with Green it´s very hard to deal with.

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 15:21:25 pm  »
Make it "3" Mag.

Let´s start a firework for a new Rule being born! Yeaha  ;D

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 15:11:00 pm  »
It isn´t a realy bad case Mag...coz it´s only a testing and rule developing season.
Now i am informed exactly about this terms, and will answer on every question as soon as possible.
Here again my idea for you.

- Let the people generally ask 3 times on 3 diffrent days. If there is no response, give the Walkover.

In my eyes, that is the most fair thing you can do for all players. If i got to answer "active", the people who want to fight have to ask "active" either. Asking once, just isn´t enough to get a win over a descent player.
Look @ my actual "Awaiting Challenges". I´ve asked 3 of them allready 2 times, and one of them 3 times. I ask tomorrow again, if there will be no answer <---- Walkover "OK".

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 14:50:28 pm  »
Thank you Mag, i´ve editet my post. So whats happening now with this issue?

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 14:24:56 pm  »
@ Mag
http://www.d3cl.com/en/league/viewchallenge/4287
http://www.d3cl.com/en/league/viewchallenge/4270

@ Green "My message" log is empty, i didn´t get any messages from you, where do you write the reasons to be informed to?

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 14:08:21 pm  »
I can´t remember, that those guys asked me 2-3 times on this site. And i can´t remember that those guys asked me for a duel online. But ok Mag, Green..Thank you for your responses. I´ll know about this now.

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Rules & development / Re: Gear Swap and Not accepting challenges.
« on: March 04, 2013, 13:40:16 pm  »
Getting loses without fighting, is the most bad aspect of this league @the moment.
I allways accept the challenge if the people ask me online, never denied one.
I love PvP, and thats the only reason why i play this game. I played in all leagues AoW, Duelliga, EuroPvP very active.
And thats why i am pissed of, because of this looses against people...i never would loos to. Am i forced to be online from 12:00 to 24:00 everyday to meet the children online? What if i play only from 22:00? I guess no...

In D2 Duelliga we handled it like this:

You see the opponent is online, you ask him for a duel.
- If there is no response >> Screen. <---handle it as denie Nr.1
- Ask on next day again. If he don´t likes to duel >> Screen. <--- handle it as denie Nr.2
- Ask on next day again @ denie nr.3 don´t care why... >> Screen. Send those screens to a judge...earn a 5:0 over this player.

This would be fair, and nobody get´s fucked with looses he doesn´t deserve.
I hope you think very good about this post.

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