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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2013, 16:15:33 pm »

Jason is usually offline, however even when I had league duel with him, he never respond to me in game despite being "available". I think he doesn't care about barb vs barb anymore..shame, I would prefer to play with him final than with Executioner - build to draw barb  :D
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2013, 16:22:19 pm »

ok, you have won by w/o with jason
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2013, 21:19:10 pm »

Sin is not saying a word over four days, is writing him on the forum on "bn-ie" I also wrote, arranged to meet with me on gre on Sunday at the 20:00-21:00 hour didn't appear sie and I waited up to 23:00.

I don't intend to wait and to search for him of consecutive days.
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2013, 21:37:54 pm »

i see ppl are very mature about this whole thing :D
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2013, 22:50:38 pm »

Jason is usually offline, however even when I had league duel with him, he never respond to me in game despite being "available". I think he doesn't care about barb vs barb anymore..shame, I would prefer to play with him final than with Executioner - build to draw barb  :D


... devil i know that you dont like my tanky interpretation of the game but your 1 hit wotb hota kill is also not the top bvb we all wish to have!

But you never even tried "normal" rend + run style vs me. If u run again your 900 k dps setup i will go 100% 20 mio ehp tank and just tank you and force a draw (at least i try ;D).
So if u choose to play without wotb we fight regulary. We wont duel 40 min a round if we see its still draw we say stop go town use some more dps. Will last until both sides are able to kill by 3 crit rend or whatever. Then we will have the best of 9 and its finished. Thats the way i would prefer .... same as it works vs vimer.
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« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2013, 22:55:38 pm »

the match for third place barb vs. barb will take place

the second semi-final did not take place in that semi-final should preferably be a walkover.

Winner of fight should preferably Devil

And I KatMPB wait weeks for losing by forfeit
« Last Edit: April 17, 2013, 22:57:49 pm by KatMPB »
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #66 on: April 18, 2013, 00:06:27 am »

Jason is usually offline, however even when I had league duel with him, he never respond to me in game despite being "available". I think he doesn't care about barb vs barb anymore..shame, I would prefer to play with him final than with Executioner - build to draw barb  :D

... devil i know that you dont like my tanky interpretation of the game but your 1 hit wotb hota kill is also not the top bvb we all wish to have!

But you never even tried "normal" rend + run style vs me. If u run again your 900 k dps setup i will go 100% 20 mio ehp tank and just tank you and force a draw (at least i try ;D).
So if u choose to play without wotb we fight regulary. We wont duel 40 min a round if we see its still draw we say stop go town use some more dps. Will last until both sides are able to kill by 3 crit rend or whatever. Then we will have the best of 9 and its finished. Thats the way i would prefer .... same as it works vs vimer.

I didn't try cause it doesn't work vs barbs like You with 0% movement speed without stone of jordan and low crit% damage.
I can try rend + run but You have to try too.
Ask Vimer, we both fight like this all the time...

Truth is that I outgear You so You came up with this troll spec, so If You can't win You won't loose, and only window for you to win is if I allow You to play this stupid defensive setup while I put as much dps as I can and make myself vulnerable. Because of people like You... barbs are seen ase lame-defensive class. You need balance mate.
900k dps was to punish Your troll spec and I owned You 5:0 so it worked.....now You want to be even more tanky...lol..so be I put my tanky gear too and will stand still until You wear balanced setup that we can both kill each other 8) going 0%-12% movement speed is usually not a good idea.

I don't understand why You can't wear stone of jordan and fight normally? and let the skill and rng decide who wins.
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2013, 03:43:11 am »

you never played me dude and you know nothing about me ...

1. you never just outgear me
2. you won 5-1 because ultra dps and i tried 2 hand against this and didnt care on score anyway - if i use shield and 80% dodge i laugh at your hotas - makes no sense anyway because of draw - i agree
3. we talked about the same things ... and if u decide not to play wotb everything will be ok
- i always start tanky to see your dps potential - if it looks like draw i start using +30% dmg cry and skip -20% dmg cry
- if still draw i use soj
- if still draw i use critdmg litany

don´t know whats wrong on this i never try to force a draw and say you have to stack more dps...

I will only ask if we can stop round that i can use more dps - you can ask all it was always like that. If i couldnt kill someone in the past i asked if i may change to more dps - all agreed because better for them if i loose some ehp.

To just answer your question - ofc i can use soj vs you!
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2013, 04:12:51 am »

the only thing i wanted to tell u in my first post was, that your former rush and kill tactic wont work again! I will tank you until we agree on balanced setup without wotb.

- we should play without wotb thats what i want
- you can tell me how much dps i should use and i will do so
- same procedure as if i play vs vimer
- i never play without runspeed ... even my iceclimbers have 11% run and i have lacunis ... if i think i need em i will use em
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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2013, 10:04:45 am »

look, there are 3 scenarios in barb vs barb:
cause it comes down to 4 items, I've tested it exscesivly with Vimer and we both agree on this:

scenario 1:
If You dont have at the same time IK gloves with crit damahe, litany with crit damage, and stone of jordan, and You have defensives stats on this items + rare bracers
And I have the same items with defensive stats too...
In this scenario we will run 45min for nothing cause we both can survive more than 3 crit rends.

scenario 2:
What You are trying to do is having defensive stats on this items + Your opponent having crit damage version + SoJ + lacunis..
in this scenario Your opponent can only loose, cause he still can't kill You, but he is vulnerable enough to be killed by You...

scenario 3rd:
both barbs are wearing this items with crit damage + lacunis..

as a result both barbs can kill each other and it comes down to skill + gear + rng with crits.

which scenario You wanna fight and when can You play(I will not play scenario 2, will put same gear as You and we get scenario 1)? all of them are without wotb, normal rend + run..

I always play scenario 3, ask KatMB or any other barb I played, who didn't play TROLL DRAW spec like You in scenario 1, because if I see this kind of bullshit, then I go WOTB cause there is no other way to kill barbs like this.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 10:18:40 am by devilek666 »
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« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2013, 11:01:37 am »

Lol so much drama. I have the same issues with Barbs:

As a DH vs Barb I have one of 4 outcomes:

A) If I go defense and the Barb goes defense -> The match is a stalemate, no one wins.
B) If I go defense and the Barb goes offense -> I usually will win unless they have a lot of EHP with offense.
C) If I go offense and the Barb goes defense -> I usually will lose because I just cannot kill them.
D) If I go offense and the Barb goes offense -> I usually will win because I will kill them fast.

Thus, as Barb, the best way to fight a DH is defense. The only counter for DH is to stalemate, yay boring game! I guess the same is happening with Barbs lol. Edit: I prefer to play by going offense vs Barb, even when faced with an uphill battle (scenario C). The end result is the match is decided (usually not in my favor against top Barbs) but at least I am ENDING the match in a reasonable amount of time. The Barb who wins should at least thank me for not shifting the game to scenario A lol.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2013, 11:04:36 am by Iria »
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2013, 11:59:31 am »

Barb vs Barb  !
Devil and Exe - why you just dont go Bridge Fight? I think this is the most fair scenario BvB - you will not run, no 45min duel, etc.

Iria, scenario C is best for this match, but if you have right dmg and right play style against barb, the chances are 50/50,not in favor for barbs. What i could add here, for balanced fight against non lega nata Barb cannot use both shout and war cry, but could choise 1 of them. That way our protection will be reduced and we could add something for more offansive fight. Also i need to add that i usually beat defansive DH with my offansive gear.
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« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2013, 12:55:49 pm »

scenario 2:
What You are trying to do is having defensive stats on this items + Your opponent having crit damage version + SoJ + lacunis..
in this scenario Your opponent can only loose, cause he still can't kill You, but he is vulnerable enough to be killed by You...

Yep Devil you got it ! I always played scenario 2 because it works out perfect because i am nearly unkillable and still got dps to kill the other one. Thats normally the aim every pvp er is looking for.
Well u recognized it and dont wanna lose like the rest^^ I can understand this.
But good to hear that even you have to admit that you can only beat it by the rule both have to agree on the others spec. If we would both play scenario 1 and would tune dps up more and more until we have enough dps we would reach a point where i just kill you because i have the realm best items for that spec.

Nevertheless i hate draws myself and i agree all u said and tested with vimer.
If we fight i use scenario 3 setup because of all you said.
But first i w8 at least 1-2 more day for Jason because i dont like free-wins.

Bridge fight nofear wants to play all day is 100% stupid and makes no fun sorry.

Blizzard balanced the game very well on nearly or even max-gear level. Problem of the system is, that nearly every class can reset the whole fight after 30 or 45 sec. Based on things like lifereg, potion cooldown preparation ignore pain and so on. So if you are not able to kill in 30 sec everything will end in draws - thats the different and most anoying thing in d3-pvp compared to diablo 2. And all players @ high gearlvl see this fact very clear. And i agree on most of yours opinion that we need some rules that predict the usage of balanced setups that wont end in draws.

Next big problem is happening @ games between high gearlvl and mid-range gear lvl. While in diablo 2 even a normal player had the chance by landing 2-3 more critical hits to kill the "itemlamer". In Diablo 3 there is no chance of winning someone having doubled ehp by same dps because of lifereg and the cooldowns.

In Diablo 2 the player that lost his whole life died. In Diablo 3 the player that is alife after 30 sec life is invincible. Doesnt say anything about his dps and leads to draws by any direction.

According to all that facts my strategy (same mystical is using for example) was always to tune my setup by different items to the point that i can survive close > 30 sec and use that much dps that i can kill the opponent in under 25 sec.
If i manage this its win if the opponent can survive my dps its draw. According to all that devil you are right by looking for setups that lead to fair and not draw fights and spread it to the community. Just that they know what items to buy in future.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 15:59:32 pm by IMP-Executioner »
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Re: Mirror Playoffs Topic!
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2013, 15:58:39 pm »

that's why killing WD atm is almost impossible without WOTB :) too much crowd control and defensive skillis within short few seconds window that You have to kill him, while recevining lot's of damage.

we went a bit off topic here: we should play on the weekend the final match :)
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« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2013, 19:33:33 pm »

Devil - Executioner  (5:0)
thx for duel mate,
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