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[DarkRaven]

I consider wotb a bit too much but it's worth testing.

after all barbs have been using it vs wd for a long time and good wd had no problem running away from it, around corners.

 with teleport wormhole it may be useless for barbs to even use wotb and waste a slot which could be the ehp skill  that helps them survive RoF.

@ximae, in wotb insanity with 2h is not 2-3 hotas, 1 crit can easily do 1-2 mil damage... or 1 crit rend

[ximae]

dak raven, even worse then!

 how much ehp do u think we have to be able to have the dps to take high ehp barbs down? were talking about the 600-700k ehp range. So its gona be 2 shots, one to activate unstable anomaly and another to finish u off.

Im saying this coz i have faced it in ffa pubs, pricks who would just enter chappel when wotb is ready activate it and just mow everyone down in a couple 2h hotas... nothing u can do about it as a wiz.

So if u really are intent on testing wotb then ban 2h with it as any rend/hota crit will just crush u and u can just persue till u get ur crits off.

[N0F3aR]

When i speak about using WotB, i didnt ment using 2 handed weapon. Ok, i agree - WotB but no 2 handed like skorn/mace.

[ximae]

sure we could test that, hit me up if u guys want to do that.

[Mr.Mag]

we have to wait for inspire presence fix t ostart the league. blizz did not fix it.

[Shadow88]

main problem with wotb is the huge dmg increase. wiz has to go rather low ehp to be able to do enough dmg vs barbs. but from wotb we die from only 1 rend hit.. and 15 seconds are realy really long. we can teleport away 1 time. but thats not enough because of the runspeed. have tried it several times with nofear. result was that i lost every round without a chance when he switched to wotb. could not escape even once. if you think about activating wotb right from the start of the duel you can just chase down any wiz. and i really dont like the idea of switching to some kind of a chicken build.

have you considered wotb without any rune?

[Forti]

Blizzard is joking i See.

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[DarkRaven]

we will test on ptr after insp presence is fixed I think barbs can have an ok build even without wotb

@nofear, try hota instead of rend, it's much better, it hits hard even with spear and shield, the wizards are pretty glass cannon vs barbs.

with hota I prefer marauder rage instead of threatening because they get rid of threatening easily with mirror

my current build vs wiz is:

hota smash

sprint

marauder rage

ignore pain

charge dreadnought  (even 8% hp every 10 sec is pretty good, sometimes 16 or 24 if u hit the mirror images)

warcry impunity or veteran warning (dodge gives more theoretical ehp but all res is more reliable)

inspiring

relentless or nerves

superstition

[MoKKaL]

as mentioned above several times:

.) wizz NEEDS to go glass cannon, to even be able to kill the barb
.) therefore 2 hotas just kill the ~800k ehp wizz
.) therefore --> 1 or 2 mistakes from the wizz means, he just lost
.) killing the barb still takes more than enough time - sure, a barbs shouldnt do too many mistakes either - bust still has more room for mistakes
.) hota >>> rend in that case
.) wotb would get the pretty okish balanced match (hota!) to a 100/0 barb/wizz ratio.

imo ... wizz vs barbs --> just ban WOTB
so barbs should be able to even use (dual)stun build aswell

my 2c

[Forti]

The otrzymał league want start imo. There is a small chance 1.0.8 gonna live on thuesday.

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[ximae]

.) hota >>> rend in that case

specially considering we mostly gear towards taking critless rends via decent mit + lreg and just worrying about crits = mi time.

imo ... wizz vs barbs --> just ban WOTB
so barbs should be able to even use (dual)stun build aswell

my 2c

mine aswell.

[DarkRaven]

barbs should have a normal cc breaker not a 2 min cd monster buff

for ex a rune on ignore pain which gave immunity to cc for 5 sec, maybe even lowering the mitigation from 65 to 50.. it would be so much more balanced, no needs to ban cc skillz or to tank like mad in order to survive stunned for an extended period of time.

[dilaVo]

try hota instead of rend, it's much better, it hits hard even with spear and shield

Hard enough to counter Ice Armor - Jagged Ice?

[DarkRaven]

I didn't test vs that, the mitigation is not amazing, 12%, but I don't know what the chance to freeze is. is it 50% to freeze and 50% chance to chill?

wouldn't chilling aura or crystallize rune be better? 130% damage is like a small tickle vs barbs

[dilaVo]

I didn't test vs that, the mitigation is not amazing, 12%,

yes, most wizard skills are not amazing, but what can we do?

but I don't know what the chance to freeze is. is it 50% to freeze and 50% chance to chill?

me neither, but I believe this is the way it works

wouldn't chilling aura or crystallize rune be better?

no, it wouldn't

130% damage is like a small tickle vs barbs

Obviously, but it still works quite nice if you use Cold Blooded and high raw dmg build with enough ehp to be able to stand still while casting Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell + RoF - Snow Blast / Cold Blood. This skill is quite nice against low dmg melee oponents (just like Storm Armor - Reactive Armor works nice against low dmg ranged oponents ex. tank dh's).

Anyway test it and let us know what you think about it. I see no point in talking about things you didn't use / test / etc. (but maybe that's just me?).