what was your setup when u tested link?
I agree I do have some problems vs monk, but not because of their dps but because of their stalemate ability with tempest rush, if they play safe I can never catch them and eventually I will do a mistake.
Vs non-tempest builds it is actually a lot more fun, balanced and fast. I tested vs Tomas a while ago, his build was normal bells and sss, no tr. In first games he got me more, last time it was 5-4 for me, after that he switched to palm to counter my dodge and got me more ( i didn't try to optimize my build vs palm but it can be done).
I also tested my setup vs his blue bells, standing still he got 2 crit blue bells in about 20 shots... because I have ~40% dodge vs monks and his cc was around 50 i think. Basically the chance to get 2 crit blue bells in a row is extremely small, but if they just run around the map for 1 hour they will eventually get it because it's very hard for barbs to catch them.
in my d3cl duel vs mnich, i started 3-0 but lost 3-5. Basically at first he played less safe while i played safe, after that he started running and waiting for cds, while i got bored of playing safe and made mistakes, the same happened vs psykes with his tankier stalemate build, the duel lasted for more than 1.5 hours... which was actually the reason why I left the league... I enjoyed much more getting 0-5 vs insane than chasing a tr monk for hours around the map.
My EHP with dodge (but without block) vs melee elites (dunno if bells and/or sss are melee or ranged) with the skills used is around 14mil, slightly more with block but block doesn't do much vs monks; a lot more if I would have used superstition (~17mil) instead of unforgiving, and tried to stalemate. dps was 58k+6%, so around 61 let's say. (vs psykes with his stalemate-ish build i went to about 90k dps still tanking pretty well if I played safe but still almost impossible to kill him when he played safe)
156k life, 940ar, 11.3k armor, 39,6% dodge, -16,94 vs melee, -30% vs elites (I have 35% on gear but it's multiplicative not additive)
my personal approach is dodge because a crit blue bell does anyway a lot more than 50% damage. Ideally you would want to be able to tank 2 crit blue bells without IP but I dunno if it's possible, maybe vimer with his more "raw" ehp gear can do it.
The biggest problem is if they crit with first bell you have to IP to survive a second, not very likely, crit and after that you risk getting sss.
As I mentioned before, my personal problem with this match-up, is tempest rush, not their damage. I use unforgiving, warcry dodge and threatening shout for fury gain, with sprint and charge to catch them, but it doesn't seem enough, maybe other barbs can share what skills they use in this match-up.
and yeah, nerfing threatening vs tempest rush monks is a joke...
I agree DarkRaven the real issue may be tempest rush, but I don't want to jump to that conclusion yet.
Item wise i have a
lot of build options vs monk.
Currently i am testing setups to beat a pure tempest rush/stun/blue bell monk. I have other builds vs stun/sss/exploding palm/wave of light or dashing/stun/wave of light/sss or pure exploding palm only etc.
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/linkolas-1725/Link/1696813The only way I am able to catch a tempest rushing monk is with 24% movement, charge , threatening shout, sprint marathon, and bash stun. The real problem is having enough fury generation combined with survivability in order to catch them, if you try to use unforgiving EHP is much too low.
Active SkillsBash - Clobber
Furious Charge - Stamina
Sprint - Marathon
Threatening Shout - Intimidate
Ignore Pain - Iron Hide
Rend - Ravage
Passive SkillsInspiring Presence
Superstition
Nerves Of Steel
This is the build I am having the most success with right now. Sometimes I will swap bash with war cry but vs monks like mafia with 65k health globes and 80k+ life its very hard to land enough rends in a row to kill them.
I have not asked for a nerf to monks I am just saying statistics say it is a difficult matchup for barbs and I will keep testing with mie later today, I will let you guys know.
