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[GREEN2172]

Never said it's imba:) Just said it give advantage in some matchups, like DH vs Barb.
The good feedback to dev team from legacy nats should look like this:
I said that legacy is better against barbs because you can kite all the time, and you give arguments why am I wrong +    
proof, for example "new nat is better if you use this tactics: (...), I know that player (...) use it with his eq and he kill easily barbs with new nat" - next we should make test if its true and after that both sides would be happy.
Now it's not like this: I played many matches with new nat and just give arguments to prove that I am right, and legacy nats (except pred) don't give any feedback, just troll and attack personally me, like franq:) If you think changes proposed by me are unnecessary give your feedback with arguments, not troll all the time to defend your gear.

[MysticaL]

ok, I didn't want to make a post like this, but here is why I think the nerfs vs. DH are a mistake (but I also think nerfing any matchup is a mistake):

I have a DH vs. WD video of a #16 world PvP dummy WD (the point is not the dummy rank, the point is he's geared). I won 8-4, zdogs not so OP afterall I guess??
youtube.com/watch?v=_KknzG8rosE

There is a new & interesting spec you can use vs. WDs that use zombie dogs:
youtube.com/watch?v=r5igxZo4CmI

I tried the spec above yesterday vs. an even more geared WD than Pillz (top 10 dummy), and it definitely works BETTER vs. zombie dogs than my old fan of knives build

Let's also keep in mind there are TONS of DH better geared than I am... so I really don't understand...

And legacy sets are unaffordable? Seriously? When I first made my char on EU, I bought one in EU comparable to my US set, and I found good prices in less than 2 days. EVEN CHEAPER than US, these are just excuses, come on... You don't need a 2 bil legacy set to perform well, my EU set cost me total <200mil, and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit... plus I got useful stats instead of the 3% crit anyway :/

Seriously what's going on in EU? I know you guys give MannerCookie a lot of crap for saying that, but I think we need to figure out why the class balances are so different in US servers vs. EU servers

Is there someone who posts videos of their duels in EU? I would really like to see some

[RoGH]

Pvp dummy, seriously?

[MysticaL]

Pvp dummy, seriously?

the point is not the dummy rank, the point is he's geared enough to compete vs. any DH out there

[GREEN2172]

@Mystical: nice idea with spike traps:)
As you said:

and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit

Please make a movie how you kill keen&blud with this and that will be end of discussing about EU/US WD and EU/US WD nerf.

[MysticaL]

@Mystical: nice idea with spike traps:)
As you said:

and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit

Please make a movie how you kill keen&blud with this and that will be end of discussing about EU/US WD and EU/US WD nerf.

I'm gearing up & lvling my DH on EU, for sure I want to challenge everyone here

[Lilith]

@Mystical: nice idea with spike traps:)
As you said:

and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit

Please make a movie how you kill keen&blud with this and that will be end of discussing about EU/US WD and EU/US WD nerf.

+1

One more thing about WD. They should be allowed to use dogs if he have homunculus in off hand.

[Forti]

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One more thing about WD. They should be allowed to use dogs if he have homunculus in off hand.

I think it would be good compromise for start.

[jointit]

@Mystical: nice idea with spike traps:)
As you said:

and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit

Please make a movie how you kill keen&blud with this and that will be end of discussing about EU/US WD and EU/US WD nerf.

I'm gearing up & lvling my DH on EU, for sure I want to challenge everyone here

I like your attitude man, hope you can get mannercookie here too.

[ricebowl]

4) DH vs Monk: I think the proposed change is ok but I fear for the 90% stacked dodge Monks. All other classes will have an attack which bypasses dodge (Rend, Haunt, Exploding Palm, Ray of Frost/Blizzard/...) so they won't have this problem. I think it will basically become a duel of RNG with the Monk to land your attack. Are there other solutions, such as banning Sharpshooter?

Rofl, I guess you don't see the irony here.  When was the last time you actually got hit by exploding palm as a DH?  That move is slow, has no range, has a long cast time, and costs a ton of spirit. 

PS: It's already a duel of RNG when a Monk fights a DH.  For the Monk.  Dodge SSS?  DH wins.  Dodge blind?  DH wins.  Dodge 2 full bell hits?  DH wins.  Get real.

[Iria]

I said the proposed change was ok, but there are monks out there that have 90% dodge chance or something ridiculous. It seems kind of stupid to duel them if the whole game is luck and no skill, I can go to a casino for that lol. If the monks are capped to no more than 70% buffed dodge chance, then I think the rules could work.

Edit: And in case you don't know what I'm talking about:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7978878101

[jinshin85]

LOL @ that 100% dodge monk.

Iria, are you serious man?

I don't mind capping the dodge at 70% and taking away the chemical burn.

[Blud]

ok, I didn't want to make a post like this, but here is why I think the nerfs vs. DH are a mistake (but I also think nerfing any matchup is a mistake):

I have a DH vs. WD video of a #16 world PvP dummy WD (the point is not the dummy rank, the point is he's geared). I won 8-4, zdogs not so OP afterall I guess??
youtube.com/watch?v=_KknzG8rosE

There is a new & interesting spec you can use vs. WDs that use zombie dogs:
youtube.com/watch?v=r5igxZo4CmI

I tried the spec above yesterday vs. an even more geared WD than Pillz (top 10 dummy), and it definitely works BETTER vs. zombie dogs than my old fan of knives build

Let's also keep in mind there are TONS of DH better geared than I am... so I really don't understand...

And legacy sets are unaffordable? Seriously? When I first made my char on EU, I bought one in EU comparable to my US set, and I found good prices in less than 2 days. EVEN CHEAPER than US, these are just excuses, come on... You don't need a 2 bil legacy set to perform well, my EU set cost me total <200mil, and the main difference between MY EU Legacy and my US legacy is 3% helm crit... plus I got useful stats instead of the 3% crit anyway :/

Seriously what's going on in EU? I know you guys give MannerCookie a lot of crap for saying that, but I think we need to figure out why the class balances are so different in US servers vs. EU servers

Is there someone who posts videos of their duels in EU? I would really like to see some

I totally agree with you, and after seeing your video I must say that most dhs in this league do not know how to play vs wd. I really look forward to dueling you, Blud#2481.

That said, that WD is very bad. He doesn't predict your movements at all, and he eats your fan of knives all the time.

[Iria]

That 100% dodge monk happens to be in the US league! If we impose a ban on chemical burn, I would like to impose a limit to dodge chance vs DH to not exceed 70% or another reasonable number (this can be calculated before the match based on Dexterity and skills).

[McP]

2on2 is very good playable and fun. Watch this 2on2 practice match McP+SIN http://www.d3cl.com/en/news/view/161/diablo3-ruleversion-125.htm