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[IMP-Executioner]

my ideas for blizzard developers:

WD - delete spirit vessel passive, spirit walk doesnt dispell aoe-effects and dots
DH - rapid fire back to what it was but lowered recources costs, give dh a 10% buff to impale
Sorc - strongly reduce the cd of teleport - maybe 2 sec?
Barb - give Ignore Pain a 2 sec cc immunity and overpower crushing advanced rune 1 single cc break instead of 35% absorbshield, change wotb 100% more dps rune to 33%

- wd back in line
- dh can use skill needed builds again
- sorc gains some mobility .. dps and survivability is okie atm
- barb needs hardly anti cc

... monk is difficult its in line somehow but only usable with great gear and glasscanon build

if all that would change i think rules would be not longer needed

[N0F3aR]

Say that rulz to blizz dev team!

[Mr.Mag]

we have no dev team atm so nobody can test your proposals probably we'll start next season with no pvp rule changes

[N0F3aR]

Mr Mag, i can take part of rul dev team. I am already in charge for EU PvP zone from 1 very good PvP site( well not only PvP). There we worked a lot for some skill balance. 17 1v1 PvP and 1 2v2 PvP tournaments were played in past few months along with "PvP" night event. We tried a lot variants and i can share what is really best so far. I know all the top players and also we play like everyday. We finnally made something works both for 2 sides. If you leave the rulz from 2nd season, well, that wont be the best you can do. Game changed, pvp players reached another lvls. You can contact me ingame : N0F3aR#2714. Also you can see my work about PvP here : http://www.viciouscattle.com/forum/forum-57-1.html . Rulz are something complicated and they change in time

[Mr.Mag]

the problem with a ruleset is if we have 10 players, 10 rulesets will be created i'll check that forum later and compare what have you created.

of course if you want to be in dev team, no problem, but we'll need some more people. Mnich said your rules are not perfect, as well as ours so maybe it's meaningless which one we're going to use?

[N0F3aR]

When excatly Mnich said my rulz ? Is Mnich active player? Cuz i am. And there is no "my rulz" but something that is tested with players and the best ot them. We have very good WDs in the face of Lusitano and Arcanis - they reach the lvl of Euro and Blud as gear and experience. As Monk i could recommend Lelik or/and Tomas if he is still playing. Barb in the face of Vimer, Executioner if he still playing too. Wizards - Mokkal, but he gonna be offline for few weeks.
The site where you can see is about gold prize every weeks, so there we work for the best we can get it. I can talk with all players ( really, they are in top ) and give feedback for detail rulz. So far as barb i can tell :

Barb vs WD - all allowed. Well at least in the top fights. For the rest may be - WD can choose btw hex or firebats.
Barb vs Monk - all allowed.
Barb vs Wizard  - WotB banned. Or at least rune "Insanity"
Barb vs DH - All allowed if DH uses Rapid fire. If DH uses impale without Rapid fire, Barb can use his skill War cry with no rune.

[KNHO]

If there wan´t be some good DH vs WD changes, i don´t see a reason to take part in the next season, and i also think that no good DH will do. Because it´s just frustrating right now. Here is once again...my proposal.

DH vs Wizzard

- DH can´t use "Rapid fire"
- DH can´t use "Healing turret" and "Brooding".
- Legacy DH´s are not allowed to use "Battle scars".

DH vs Barb

- If a DH uses Rapidfire, there should be no restrictions for Barbs.
- If a DH doesn´t use RF, Barb can´t use Relentless and the skill “War cry” is only allowed to use with “no rune”.
Impale play makes only sense for Legacy DH´s. A non legacy DH´s just can´t kill a barb with Impale, because a barb can run and hide for years, waiting for his cooldowns, and because DH gets out of discipline after a very short time chasing the chickening Barb. <-----Stupid for DH´s, but very true.
- BT Tank Dh´s can´t use "Healing Turret" if they use Rapidfire...this prevents stalemate situations.

DH vs WD

- In duels versus the “Demon Hunter” WD´s can´t use “Firebats”! The skill “Haunt” is only allowed with the 2 sec rune!
- In duels versus the "Demon Hunter" WD´s can´t use "Blood ritual"
- In duels versus the "Demon Hunter" WD´s must choose between "Zombiedogs" or "Gargantua".
- If the WD uses a shield, he can´t use "Jungle fortitude".

DH vs Monk

This matchup is very balanced if both players know what they do.
- No rules needed here....

DH vs DH

- Rapidfire with the rune "Fire support" is not allowed.
- BT set DH´s can use only 1 of the skills "Brooding" or "Healing turret". Not both!
If 1 player stands with a full tank setup in his turrets with 4% life regen, pressing 1 button that can eazy 1 hit players, then it has nothing to do with skill, and should be prevented.

[Mr.Mag]

N0F3aR "your" i mean vc

give me some time to consult. we still have the whole week to take a decision.

[Mnich]

At creating principles keep an eye on players which don't have a lot of gold to clothes for the char.The 90% of persons is doing principles up to its form.


If you are supposed to do such changes let us play in the coming season on such principles how were.

[Mr.Mag]

i think a change in counting frags will have a great impact in scores.it can change everything.

KNHO i'm likely to use your suggestion:

In duels versus the "Demon Hunter" WD´s can´t use "Blood ritual"

[Mnich]

vouch

[KNHO]

KNHO i'm likely to use your suggestion:
In duels versus the "Demon Hunter" WD´s can´t use "Blood ritual"

I think you should use all i wrote, with banning "Blood ritual" only, you just make 1 little step in to the right direction, in fact with this, the WD "Overpower" against DH´s will still remain.

The Proposals i wrote, base on duels vs the best EU players of each class.
If there is someone who thinks that i am not right with the stuff i wrote, write some facts down here.
If not, take the rules for DH´s as i mentioned, else no good DH will join the league, that i guarantee you.

[Mr.Mag]

Rule proposal, not as many as you did above

'Summon Zombie Dogs' are forbidden in duel vs DH and Monk
'Wrath of the Berserker' is banned in duel vs WD

something else have to be done with wiz rules. KNHO your rule proposal for wiz only refer to WD

+ Round(s) resulting in a draw (both players kill each other) counts as +1 round for player, who killed his opponent first.

[Mnich]

yeah these principles will level chances of other players in the ranking

[riot]

I think a hex ban is necessary if wotb is banned for b v wd,  CC effects such as echoing fury, hex, mass confusion, horrify, wall of zombies/gargantuan will be too much for a barb to overcome. Not to mention the wd has good life regen, spirit walk and spirit vessel.

For WD v DH, the ban on zombie dogs alone should be sufficient to balance the matchup between WD and DH. No reason to ban blood ritual when zombie dogs are banned, and WD's have to choose between haunt or firebats. DH's have a clean shot with impale and rf now.