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[Mnich]

In my opinion you exaggerated in the duel dh  vs wd.


firebats ok baned   but haunt also forbidden it is an exaggeration.

[KNHO]

In my opinion you exaggerated in the duel dh  vs wd.
firebats ok baned   but haunt also forbidden it is an exaggeration.

In my opinion you didn´t realy read what i wrote Mnich.
Haunt is not baned, it´s restricted from 5 seconds to 2 seconds.
Once again for you, maybe now you get it 

1. WD
•   Witch Doctor are not allowed to use Plague Bats against Demon Hunters
Not enough, in last VC tournaments: All DH´s were eliminated by a WD with relative ease.

With the DH vs WD rules i wrote, it´s very even. The last VC Tournament show´s this! A DH won very close....
It´s better to favour a dh a little bit, then overpower a WD very much. Check out the statistics of WD vs DH from last seasons, and check the VC Tour results. DH´s have been raped!

[Mr.Mag]

and what about this: barbarian vs demon-hunter, Total duels: 8, wins: 100%?

[Mnich]

the decision depends on MrMag I think that it isn't worthwhile facilitating the games for itself very much.

[KNHO]

and what about this: barbarian vs demon-hunter, Total duels: 8, wins: 100%?

Are this statts collected after the Rapid fire buff?
This win-ratio could have Vimer or Nofear, because both are very strong overall, and there are no more good active DH´s remained in the league. With your proposal i think, most Barbs will be totaly dominated by experienced DH´s.

[Mr.Mag]

ok, we'll see. a decision about the rules will be taken today

[N0F3aR]

Guys, there is a difference in the skill balance - depends on the players's pvp level. When best players are fighting - well i can say that skill balance is almost not nesecary - perhaps really litle changes. When there is difference btw the PvP level of the players - well then skill balance is nesecary. I can say that i've played agianst best EU players and the skill balance that is needed is really really small. Like 1 rune or skill are ok.

[KNHO]

Not if we talk about WD. Realy, i get very angry when someone tells me again that DH vs WD is very ok with only Bats banned. I don´t know how much good DH´s must say this, till Barbs and Monks get it too.
Maybe you should just make a DH, and get pwned everyday by a tanky noob wd.
Then you guys smash your keyboard with your wiener and start play your old class again.

[N0F3aR]

Valentine, you had to watch GTXi vs Raisling on the final.

[Mr.Mag]

ok, i'll get your rules. we're going to start next season tomorrow (at evening i guess)

[Sa10]

Ok, about
2. DH
•   In duels versus the “Monk” the skill “Impale” with rune “Chemical Burn” is not allowed.
There is no need for this rule, good Monks will tear the most DH´s in peaces.
This matchup is very balanced with "No Rules". If you wan´t to weak a DH in this matchup no matter what, then take away sharpshooter. Against Monks like "Lelik" or "Sin", i was beaten up hard even without rules. If they enter your screen..you´re dead. Chemical burn wan´t help here.

i ll add, on US with mafia, miejie or scrapz is the same, the last ligue mafia won all, and miejie lost with him only. Lucianisimo, the best dh on that ligue loose with miejie and mafia 0-5 because with wounds u can cut his life enough (and the super potions of boths) and they can one shoot you with all his critics.

The diference is betwen low gear/experience players, there a "weak" monk ll loose with less chances against "weak" dh, because is more easy get dps over ehp, but nothing to do there.

Abaout the haunt with 2 secs and the tanky style of wds, i think the pets bann is need it, dogs or zombie. both is a lot of tanky capacity. if he is too tanky u cant go with impale/fan spec, u need rf and they 2 kind of pets are very hard to kill before the wd kill u.

[Sa10]

KNHO, about the only bat bann is really nedd it, i saw because is the most important think to bann, i loose with mirai (asmodai) 0-3 the last vc tourney, and i can say, i cant win him. He won me using skorn and 2 sec haunt only on practices games like 50-2, and i can agree with the wd>dh with only bat banns. But i saw that because i want to see that bann on rules only, the rest is fine, more balance c:

[KNHO]

Sato, the choice between dogs and gargantua will still remain. Both at once is way to tanky.
Thank you for agreeing my thoughts! 

[Mnich]

Everything for good fights

[Mr.Mag]

i still have no time to gather those rules together. could anyone do it? plz ;]